Airplane combat movement

@Panther great thank you!

@Panther said in Submarine non combat move-hostile zome:

@RYNO87 said in Submarine non combat move-hostile zome:

Sorry about the bump post, I’ll wait 24 hrs next time.

There is no “24 hours-rule”. Bumps are “banned” by our Forum Rules.

There are some capable users willing to help and answer your questions - so just be patient please.

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@Panther great! Thanks for clarifying!

@RYNO87 said in Particular Combat movements for Subs and Planes:

Let’s say a sea unit retreats in their combat move from 1 hostile SZ into another hostile SZ with less enemies, does combat have to commence?

Combat will result in any case in which units from opposing sides are in the same space during the Combat phase, regardless of how they got there.

@Private-Panic said in Attacking multiple territories in one combat move?:

Also subs not involved in combat can move into hostile sea zones in which there is no enemy destroyer present.

A small correction: Subs can even move into seazones containing an enemy destroyer:
Rulebook, 1941, page 20:

Submarines: Unlike other sea units, submarines can move through and even into hostile sea zones during this phase.
However, a submarine must end its movement when it enters a sea zone containing one or more enemy destroyers.

@jwarf Welcome to the forum :slightly_smiling_face:

@Red:

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I attack German Held West Russia with all units from Karelia, Archangel and the Tanks and fighter from Russia and Caucasus

Say after 1 round of attack, I have killed two German Infantry leaving 1.   I want to retreat after reducing the enemy force concentration.

The rules read that all units must withdraw to one friendly place.  I choose Archangel.  
So the infantry are then done moving having used 1 movement to the attack. (And since I committed everyone from Karelia, the space is now empty).

The tanks should still have 1 movement available each so I could move them to Russia?  The Fighter has 3 movement so I could place it at Russia or Caucasus?

Just trying to understand the movement rules for retreating.  not saying I like the attack scenario itself!

@Bob77:

All the units would retreat together, to a territory where they came from.
Since you had units in the attack from archangel, you may choose archangel. BUT all retreating units must go to archangel, tanks and fighters too.
If you had the same scenario, but had amphibious troops as well, the amphibious troops may not retreat but all others may go to archangel.

From the rulebook:

@rulebook:

Condition B�Attacker Retreats
The attacker (never the defender) can retreat during this step.
Land and Sea Units: Move all attacking land and sea units in that combat that are along the battle strip to a single adjacent
friendly space from or through which at least one of the original attacking land or sea units moved. In the case of sea units,
that space must have been friendly at the start of the turn. All such units must retreat together to the same space, regardless of
where they came from.

Air Units: Retreating air units remain in the contested space temporarily. They complete their retreat movement during the
Noncombat Move phase using the same rules as air units involved in a successful battle.

So remaining land units retreat together to a single adjacent friendly space from or through which at least one of the original attacking land unit came from.

Air units retreat independently during Non Combat Move Phase being allowed to use all their remaining movement points,

so yes to
@Red:

The Fighter has 3 movement so I could place it at Russia or Caucasus?

but no to
@Red:

The tanks should still have 1 movement available each so I could move them to Russia?

as no unit - except air units - may move during as well Combat Move Phase as Noncombat Move Phase.

@Bubbamonkey323:

But everything else I get but one last thing if 5 infantry and a tank are in a territory when they fight since it says in the rules that u can fight to the death would you just use the infantry or can u use any unit over and over again basically saying infantry overrule the tank and it be un usable till all the infantry and done

As my good friend witt says, it is difficult to understand what you are asking, but I thought I would try to clarify by laying it out step by step. When you have read this please let us know whether it is now clear.

It does not make any difference whether those 5 infantry and 1 tank are in attack or defense, so for simplicity I will assume attack. Let’s say 1 tank and 1 infantry in defence:

Attacker rolls

5 inf at 1 or less in attack - they roll 5 dice and lets say that they score 1 hit then 1 tank at 3 or less - roll one die and in this example it rolls a 4 and misses.

Defender takes casualties

he chooses 1 inf as it costs less to replace and because the tank is more likely to kill an attacker the defender’s chosen casualties remain in the game, but are put to one side as designated casualties.

Defender rolls

for all his units including that which has only just been taken as a casualty 1 inf at 2 or less in defence - throws a 2 and so scores a hit 1 tank at 3 or less - throws a 3 and scores a hit.

Attacker takes casualties

the defender scored 2 hits and the attacker elects to lose 2 infantry, because they cost less to replace and the tank is more likely to kill a defender.

End of battle round

Both sides remove their casualties from the game Attacker decides whether to continue or retreat - in this example he decides to continue.

Attacker rolls

3 surviving inf at 1 or less in attack - roll 3 dice and lets say that they all miss then 1 tank at 3 or less - in this example it rolls a 1 and hits.

Defender takes casualties

he only has 1 remaining unit - his tank - and so must choose that as his casualty this remains in the game, but is put to one side as a designated casualty.

Defender rolls

for all his units including that which has only just been taken as a casualty he only has 1 tank left which hits at 3 or less - throws a 1 and scores a hit.

Attacker takes casualties

the defender scored 1 hits and the attacker elects to lose 1 infantry, because it costs less to replace and the tank is more likely to be of value in future combats.

End of battle round

Both sides remove their casualties from the game The defender has no units left as he has lost both his inf and his tank. The attacker has 2 inf and 1 tank left, all of which must move into the territory they attacked.

By laying it out step by step I hope I have allowed for any number of interpretation of your question!

Thanks a ton, Calvin!