Operation Dark Skies JamesAleman(axis) vs Allweneedislove

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            2 infantry moved from Romania to Yugoslavia
            1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Holland Belgium
            2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Holland Belgium
            1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 armour moved from Bryansk to Rostov
                  Italians take Rostov from Russians
            1 armour moved from Rostov to Tambov
                  Italians take Tambov from Russians

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Holland Belgium
                Italians attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 infantry
                British defend with 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Holland Belgium from British with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Italians attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 mech_infantry
                British defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from British with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Yugoslavia
                Italians attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                British defend with 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Yugoslavia from British with 1 artillery and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            2 aaGuns moved from Romania to Yugoslavia
            2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
            2 aaGuns moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
            1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
            1 bomber moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
            2 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
            3 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Novgorod
            2 armour moved from Bryansk to Tambov

Place Units - Italians
            1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Northern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,5,6,6,6,3
            Italians collect 15 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 15 PUs total

To observers following on the bomber thread:

This concludes turn 5, I can now say with certainty that the axis will have 8 cities turn 8 and the game will end turn 9.

How can you say that so far in advance?  Don’t you need Cairo and Stalingrad?  Are you going Sealion?  London be tough with the allied fleet there.  Stalingrad may be a tough battle, but then again if its in danger he can just retreat the Russian stack to Cairo.  How do you get to 8 VCs in three turns?

It looks as though Russia messed up early by stacking the Ukraine.  You cannot hold the Ukraine, so stacking in Belarus and Western Ukraine is better early, with a fallback to Bryansk.  Then at least the bulk of your army is in Moscow.  You cannot hold Leningrad- you should retreat from there to preserve your army for later.  Russia also did not go for Iraq… why not?  This is not representative of strong Russian play.

Japan does not look very strong, not having any of the money islands, but I suppose you are just trying to win in Europe?

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round: 6

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans repair 6 damage on 6 factory_minors; Remaining resources: 86 PUs;
            Germans buy 3 armour, 1 carrier, 3 infantry, 6 mech_infantrys, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 unit repaired.
            1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine
                  Germans take Ukraine from Russians
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Caucasus
                  Germans take Caucasus from Russians
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Samara
                  Germans take Samara from Russians

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round: 6

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans repair 6 damage on 6 factory_minors; Remaining resources: 86 PUs;
            Germans buy 3 armour, 1 carrier, 3 infantry, 6 mech_infantrys, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 unit repaired.
            1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine
                  Germans take Ukraine from Russians
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Caucasus
                  Germans take Caucasus from Russians
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Samara
                  Germans take Samara from Russians

Combat - Germans

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 aaGun moved from Bryansk to Rostov
            1 aaGun moved from Bryansk to Russia
            1 aaGun, 9 armour, 5 artilleries, 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 16 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Bryansk to Tambov
            3 bombers moved from Kwangsi to Tambov
            1 bomber moved from Germany to Western Germany
            3 aaGuns moved from Western Germany to Germany
            2 artilleries moved from Western Germany to France
            1 infantry moved from Western Germany to France
            3 fighters moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
            1 artillery moved from France to Western Germany

Place Units - Germans
            1 carrier, 2 submarines and 1 transport placed in 113 Sea Zone
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Russia
            3 armour placed in Novgorod
            3 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,5
            Germans collect 52 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 52 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 57 PUs
            Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 62 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 72 PUs

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 fighter and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
            4 fighters moved from Kwangsi to 38 Sea Zone
            4 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to 38 Sea Zone
            5 bombers moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            2 bombers moved from Yunnan to Kweichow
            1 bomber moved from Yunnan to Kweichow
            1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Sikang
                  Japanese take Sikang from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
            1 armour moved from French Indo China to Siam
                  Japanese take Siam from UK_Pacific
            1 armour moved from Siam to Shan State
            1 artillery moved from French Indo China to Shan State
            7 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State
            1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Siberia
                  Japanese take Siberia from Russians
            1 bomber moved from Japan to Sakha
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Sakha
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia
                  Japanese take Buryatia from Russians
            2 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            2 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 fighter and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
            4 fighters moved from Kwangsi to 38 Sea Zone
            4 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to 38 Sea Zone
            5 bombers moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            2 bombers moved from Yunnan to Kweichow
            1 bomber moved from Yunnan to Kweichow
            1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Sikang
                  Japanese take Sikang from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
            1 armour moved from French Indo China to Siam
                  Japanese take Siam from UK_Pacific
            1 armour moved from Siam to Shan State
            1 artillery moved from French Indo China to Shan State
            7 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State
            1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Siberia
                  Japanese take Siberia from Russians
            1 bomber moved from Japan to Sakha
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Sakha
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia
                  Japanese take Buryatia from Russians
            2 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            2 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in 38 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 4 fighters, 1 submarine and 4 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                Japanese win with 1 destroyer, 4 fighters, 1 submarine and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 40
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
            Battle in Kweichow
                Japanese attack with 3 bombers and 1 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Kweichow from Chinese with 3 bombers and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 2 bombers and 2 infantry
                British defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 2 bombers and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Sakha
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Russians win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -12
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Shan State
                Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 9 infantry
                British defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Shan State from UK_Pacific with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 9 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            5 artilleries moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            5 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            5 artilleries, 2 battleships, 4 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 5 infantry and 5 transports moved from 36 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            4 tactical_bombers moved from 38 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            4 fighters moved from 38 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from French Indo China to Shan State
            2 bombers moved from Yunnan to Russia
            3 bombers moved from Kweichow to Russia
            1 fighter moved from Manchuria to Japan
            3 fighters moved from Jehol to Japan
            3 fighters moved from Anhwe to Japan
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Anhwe to 6 Sea Zone
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Japan
            2 tactical_bombers moved from 6 Sea Zone to Japan
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Manchuria to Amur

Place Units - Japanese
            1 fighter and 9 infantry placed in Japan

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 41 PUs; end with 41 PUs total

James, you picked a guy for the test game who likes to darken the skies himself.
6 in Morocco and 6 in EUS, eh?
Does this even count as a test game?
J/K - it still counts because you are demonstrating what it’s like when Germany has all these bombers.

Now the $1,000 question is, can you get 8 cities and hold 8 throughout a round of play?  It would be a no-doubter except that Japan was so weak and even UK Pacific is raking in the cash.

If you had strength on the Pacific board like Allweneed did against me, there would be no doubt.  But as it is, I have faith that Allweneed can at least snipe a city here or there to keep you from holding 8 for a full round, and with the Pacific board in shambles, you may not even have the economic edge, so as long as Allweneed can stave off the Europe victory, I think he takes the game.  But I haven’t watched all the moves between round 4 and 6…

Really just trying to say that your bomber strat has a lot more teeth if you play Pacific better.
British with 52 (and UK Pac with 28), USA with 83, and fleet in 110, appears at a glance the Allies are in it.
Also at a glance, it appears the German stack in Tambov can only advance with Italy’s help.  ANZ might be able to stop the German advance, although the plan to get to Egypt with Japan is obvious.  But with 12 American bombers coming, will the landing party just get blasted?
I guess Allweneed is fighting fire with fire.

Lastly, I would say that obviously James has skills, or he wouldn’t have made it this far.  I don’t care what your gimmicky strat is, if you don’t have some serious skills you won’t be hanging with a guy who’s currently on top of the standings over about 50 players.

@Gamerman01:

James, you picked a guy for the test game who likes to darken the skies himself.
6 in Morocco and 6 in EUS, eh?
Does this even count as a test game?
J/K - it still counts because you are demonstrating what it’s like when Germany has all these bombers.

Now the $1,000 question is, can you get 8 cities and hold 8 throughout a round of play?  It would be a no-doubter except that Japan was so weak and even UK Pacific is raking in the cash.

If you had strength on the Pacific board like Allweneed did against me, there would be no doubt.  But as it is, I have faith that Allweneed can at least snipe a city here or there to keep you from holding 8 for a full round, and with the Pacific board in shambles, you may not even have the economic edge, so as long as Allweneed can stave off the Europe victory, I think he takes the game.  But I haven’t watched all the moves between round 4 and 6…

Really just trying to say that your bomber strat has a lot more teeth if you play Pacific better.
British with 52 (and UK Pac with 28), USA with 83, and fleet in 110, appears at a glance the Allies are in it.
Also at a glance, it appears the German stack in Tambov can only advance with Italy’s help.  ANZ might be able to stop the German advance, although the plan to get to Egypt with Japan is obvious.  But with 12 American bombers coming, will the landing party just get blasted?
I guess Allweneed is fighting fire with fire.

Lastly, I would say that obviously James has skills, or he wouldn’t have made it this far.  I don’t care what your gimmicky strat is, if you don’t have some serious skills you won’t be hanging with a guy who’s currently on top of the standings over about 50 players.

The reason Japan looks so weak is because I was demonstrating a bomber build with both nations. I am still refining Japan, You don’t have to go bombers with Japan. If I don’t, it is easier to pressure both sides, agreed. Wait until turn 8, then check back with me. Thank you for your assessment of my skills. I like to think I can hold my own ;)

Remember, Italy could have taken Russia on turn 4! (Not the best result since I prefer Germany to have it. But how often do you see Italy with this option in your games? He also fought tooth and nail to prevent my access to the factories early, that is why I am in Moscow before the factories. I am saying either way, the Europe board is quite secure.

Also, my original concept called for a Japan turn 1 naval base and a landing in Egypt turn 4 with this strategy, but it was deemed unwise to sacrifice Japan needlessly.

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Albania
                  Italians take Albania from British
            1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Bulgaria
                  Italians take Bulgaria from British
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Bulgaria
            2 armour moved from Tambov to Rostov
            1 armour moved from Tambov to Vologda
                  Italians take Vologda from Russians
            3 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Karelia
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
            4 fighters moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Rostov

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Albania
                  Italians take Albania from British
            1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Bulgaria
                  Italians take Bulgaria from British
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Bulgaria
            2 armour moved from Tambov to Rostov
            1 armour moved from Tambov to Vologda
                  Italians take Vologda from Russians
            3 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Karelia
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
            4 fighters moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Rostov

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Karelia
                Italians attack with 3 artilleries and 1 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Karelia from Russians with 3 artilleries remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Italians attack with 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys
                Americans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Italians win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Americans with 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Rostov
                Italians attack with 2 armour and 1 bomber
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Rostov from Russians with 1 armour and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 armour

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 bomber moved from Rostov to Russia
            1 aaGun moved from Yugoslavia to Bulgaria
            1 aaGun moved from Yugoslavia to Northern Italy
            3 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
            1 fighter moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Northern Italy
            1 bomber and 3 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany

Place Units - Italians
            1 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys placed in Northern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 6
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,5,1,3,1,6
            Italians collect 16 PUs (6 lost to blockades); end with 16 PUs total

@Gamerman01:

James, you picked a guy for the test game who likes to darken the skies himself.
6 in Morocco and 6 in EUS, eh?
Does this even count as a test game?
J/K - it still counts because you are demonstrating what it’s like when Germany has all these bombers.

Now the $1,000 question is, can you get 8 cities and hold 8 throughout a round of play?  It would be a no-doubter except that Japan was so weak and even UK Pacific is raking in the cash.

If you had strength on the Pacific board like Allweneed did against me, there would be no doubt.  But as it is, I have faith that Allweneed can at least snipe a city here or there to keep you from holding 8 for a full round, and with the Pacific board in shambles, you may not even have the economic edge, so as long as Allweneed can stave off the Europe victory, I think he takes the game.  But I haven’t watched all the moves between round 4 and 6…

Really just trying to say that your bomber strat has a lot more teeth if you play Pacific better.
British with 52 (and UK Pac with 28), USA with 83, and fleet in 110, appears at a glance the Allies are in it.
Also at a glance, it appears the German stack in Tambov can only advance with Italy’s help.  ANZ might be able to stop the German advance, although the plan to get to Egypt with Japan is obvious.  But with 12 American bombers coming, will the landing party just get blasted?
I guess Allweneed is fighting fire with fire.

Lastly, I would say that obviously James has skills, or he wouldn’t have made it this far.  I don’t care what your gimmicky strat is, if you don’t have some serious skills you won’t be hanging with a guy who’s currently on top of the standings over about 50 players.

Bombers are quite effective in Europe for both sides, just extraordinarily moreso for Germany.  Japan, the bomber strat can be effective, however, we are gravitating more towards a conventional/fleet/factory/…bomber on the side strat.  The reason Japan is struggling is simply the lack of starting pieces on the ground.  And lets be clear, Japan isn’t struggling, they were fine - granted not as far along as they could have been with conventional builds, however, JJ decided to go for the turn 8 capture of 8vc.  I believe Allweneedislove’s response lends itself toward the power of bombers.  With 12 bombers now on the board he redeploys one turn and he can hit most targets in Europe/NAfrica.  The 1000usd question is…are those bombers going to get there in time?

The bombers for Germany ramp up the timeframe for sacking Moscow/lockdown.  That being said…I still believe that holding Russia/1 city in Russia(doesn’t need to be Moscow necessarily) is key for funneling Russia defense - even without the motherland.  Also, don’t forget that all bombers is not necessarily the most optimum response for any Axis power.  It depends on the board as in any game.  However, I’ve yet to see a build more powerful then bombers the first 3-4 rounds for Germany.

I appreciate the responses

One of the big reasons I posted was so I would get notifications when moves were made  :-)