BotA Rd 3 (270 BC): P@anther (Rome) vs. AlexGreat (Macedonia and Co)

Panther

@alexgreat:

my bad feeling is based on losing 17 macedonian units in rd1, all to neutrals. all attacks were reasonably supported. pls, after the game, give me your opinion on strategy. its never rolls alone, normally.

Yes, I would like to discuss it, too.

lexgreat

what the hell?? I had this battle below 50% for you. I rechecked only to discover that there is one cavalry that can move three…those from your capital I had not considered. may well forfeit game now.

Panther

Yes, and considering those it was a 87%-chance.
Your defenders diced not too bad.

lexgreat

fail to see the importance of dicing good or bad in this case. even so so many of your horse are left, and this oversight nets you a city as well that I would not have built had i checked the horse archers reach. was not expecting an exception, my bad

Panther

I see what you mean. It was actually by chance that I - some moves before - discovered some horse-units having three moves.
To me, who never played anything else then AA50, a few of Spring42 and (twice) Global40 before, it is very hard to

1. distinguish the units
2. know about their characteristics
3. use them in a strategical and tactical way.

So I think this is why we play this tournament.
:-)

lexgreat

Whatever the difficulty, I think I had a reasonably fair chance to win, at least not much less than you. You would have had a challenge at hand, but I think you agree with me that it will be impossible to recover. I will follow up with Numidia and Carthage, but then likely surrender. No point to play on after three rounds under a wrong presumption (again, nobodys fault than mine).

lexgreat

TripleA Turn Summary for game: 270BC, version: 1.1.2

Game History

Round :3

Purchase Units - Numidia
Numidia buy 1 bireme and 5 cavalrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Numidia
2 archers, 4 cavalrys and 4 spearmen moved from Paraetonium to Hermopolis
1 cavalry moved from Siwa to Hermopolis
1 cavalry moved from Siwa to Hermopolis
1 spearman moved from Paliurus to Paraetonium
1 spearman moved from Siwa to Paraetonium
1 spearman moved from Siwa to Paraetonium
1 spearman moved from Siwa to Paraetonium
1 spearman moved from Berenice to Siwa
1 spearman moved from Berenice to Siwa
1 cavalry moved from Leptis Magna to Siwa
1 spearman moved from Leptis Magna to Berenice
1 spearman moved from Leptis Magna to Berenice
1 cavalry moved from Oea to Berenice
1 cavalry moved from Sabrata to Leptis Magna
1 spearman moved from Sabrata to Oea
1 spearman moved from Sabrata to Oea
1 archer and 2 spearmen moved from Thenae to Sabrata
1 cavalry moved from Zama to Thenae
1 cavalry moved from Zama to Thenae
1 cavalry moved from Siga to Tingis
1 cavalry moved from Siga to Tingis
1 cavalry moved from Siga to Banasa
1 cavalry moved from Siga to Tingis
1 spearman moved from Siga to Banasa
1 spearman moved from Siga to Banasa
1 swordman moved from Siga to Banasa
1 archer and 2 swordmen moved from Siga to Tingis
1 bireme moved from SZ 31 to SZ 32
1 bireme moved from SZ 31 to SZ 32

Combat - Numidia
Battle in Hermopolis
Numidia attack with 2 archers, 6 cavalrys and 4 spearmen
Egypt defend with 5 axemen and 5 spearmen
Numidia roll dice for 2 archers, 6 cavalrys and 4 spearmen in Hermopolis, round 1 : 4/12 hits
Egypt roll dice for 5 axemen and 5 spearmen in Hermopolis, round 1 : 4/10 hits
4 spearmen owned by the Numidia and 4 axemen owned by the Egypt lost in Hermopolis
Numidia roll dice for 2 archers and 6 cavalrys in Hermopolis, round 2 : 4/8 hits
Egypt roll dice for 1 axeman and 5 spearmen in Hermopolis, round 2 : 1/6 hits
3 spearmen owned by the Egypt , 1 axeman owned by the Egypt and 1 cavalry owned by the Numidia lost in Hermopolis
Numidia roll dice for 2 archers and 5 cavalrys in Hermopolis, round 3 : 2/7 hits
Egypt roll dice for 2 spearmen in Hermopolis, round 3 : 2/2 hits
2 spearmen owned by the Egypt and 2 cavalrys owned by the Numidia lost in Hermopolis
Numidia win, taking Hermopolis from Egypt with 2 archers and 3 cavalrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for Egypt: 5 axemen and 5 spearmen
Casualties for Numidia: 3 cavalrys and 4 spearmen
Battle in Tingis
Numidia attack with 1 archer, 3 cavalrys and 2 swordmen
Neutral defend with 1 archer, 2 cavalrys and 1 spearman
Numidia roll dice for 1 archer, 3 cavalrys and 2 swordmen in Tingis, round 1 : 4/6 hits
Neutral roll dice for 1 archer, 2 cavalrys and 1 spearman in Tingis, round 1 : 2/4 hits
1 spearman owned by the Neutral , 1 archer owned by the Neutral , 1 swordman owned by the Numidia , 1 archer owned by the Numidia and 2 cavalrys owned by the Neutral lost in Tingis
Numidia win, taking Tingis from Neutral with 3 cavalrys and 1 swordman remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
Casualties for Neutral: 1 archer, 2 cavalrys and 1 spearman
Casualties for Numidia: 1 archer and 1 swordman
Battle in Banasa
Numidia attack with 1 cavalry, 2 spearmen and 1 swordman
Neutral defend with 1 archer and 1 spearman
Numidia roll dice for 1 cavalry, 2 spearmen and 1 swordman in Banasa, round 1 : 0/4 hits
Neutral roll dice for 1 archer and 1 spearman in Banasa, round 1 : 2/2 hits
2 spearmen owned by the Numidia lost in Banasa
Numidia roll dice for 1 cavalry and 1 swordman in Banasa, round 2 : 1/2 hits
Neutral roll dice for 1 archer and 1 spearman in Banasa, round 2 : 2/2 hits
1 spearman owned by the Neutral , 1 swordman owned by the Numidia and 1 cavalry owned by the Numidia lost in Banasa
Neutral win with 1 archer remaining. Battle score for attacker is -11
Casualties for Neutral: 1 spearman
Casualties for Numidia: 1 cavalry, 2 spearmen and 1 swordman

Non Combat Move - Numidia

Place Units - Numidia
1 bireme placed in SZ 52
3 cavalrys placed in Cyrene
2 cavalrys placed in Leptis Magna

Turn Complete - Numidia
Numidia collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs total

lexgreat

TripleA Turn Summary for game: 270BC, version: 1.1.2

Game History

Round :4

Purchase Units - Carthage
Carthage buy 2 biremes, 1 hoplite, 2 spearmen, 5 swordmen and 2 triremes; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Carthage
1 swordman moved from Salmantica to Palantia
4 cavalrys moved from Carthago Nova to Tarraco
1 swordman moved from Toletum to Tarraco
1 swordman moved from Toletum to Tarraco
1 swordman moved from Toletum to Tarraco
1 swordman moved from Toletum to Tarraco
1 cavalry moved from Toletum to Palantia
1 cavalry moved from Toletum to Palantia
1 swordman moved from Toletum to Tarraco
1 swordman moved from Toletum to Palantia
1 swordman moved from Toletum to Tarraco
4 biremes and 4 triremes moved from SZ 26 to SZ 24
1 swordman moved from Carthago to SZ 32
1 swordman moved from Carthago to SZ 32
1 spearman moved from Carthago to SZ 32
1 spearman moved from Carthago to SZ 32
2 spearmen and 2 swordmen moved from SZ 32 to Caralis
1 swordman moved from Lilybaeum to SZ 36
1 swordman moved from Lilybaeum to SZ 36
1 swordman moved from Lilybaeum to SZ 36
3 swordmen and 1 trireme moved from SZ 36 to SZ 32
1 swordman moved from SZ 32 to Caralis
1 swordman moved from SZ 32 to Caralis
1 swordman moved from SZ 32 to Caralis
1 cavalry moved from Leptis Magna to Siwa
1 cavalry moved from Leptis Magna to Siwa
1 spearman moved from Oea to Leptis Magna
1 bireme moved from SZ 29 to SZ 30
1 spearman moved from Palma to SZ 29
1 bireme and 1 spearman moved from SZ 29 to SZ 30

Combat - Carthage
Battle in Tarraco
Carthage attack with 4 cavalrys and 6 swordmen
Neutral defend with 3 axemen and 3 swordmen
Carthage roll dice for 4 cavalrys and 6 swordmen in Tarraco, round 1 : 5/10 hits
Neutral roll dice for 3 axemen and 3 swordmen in Tarraco, round 1 : 1/6 hits
3 axemen owned by the Neutral , 2 swordmen owned by the Neutral and 1 cavalry owned by the Carthage lost in Tarraco
Carthage roll dice for 3 cavalrys and 6 swordmen in Tarraco, round 2 : 2/9 hits
Neutral roll dice for 1 swordman in Tarraco, round 2 : 1/1 hits
1 swordman owned by the Neutral and 1 cavalry owned by the Carthage lost in Tarraco
Carthage win, taking Tarraco from Neutral with 2 cavalrys and 6 swordmen remaining. Battle score for attacker is 13
Casualties for Neutral: 3 axemen and 3 swordmen
Casualties for Carthage: 2 cavalrys
Battle in Caralis
Carthage attack with 2 spearmen and 5 swordmen
RomanRepublic defend with 1 ballista and 4 legionaires
Carthage roll dice for 2 spearmen and 5 swordmen in Caralis, round 1 : 2/7 hits
RomanRepublic roll dice for 1 ballista and 4 legionaires in Caralis, round 1 : 1/4 hits
1 ballista owned by the RomanRepublic , 1 legionaire owned by the RomanRepublic and 1 spearman owned by the Carthage lost in Caralis
Carthage roll dice for 1 spearman and 5 swordmen in Caralis, round 2 : 2/6 hits
RomanRepublic roll dice for 3 legionaires in Caralis, round 2 : 2/3 hits
1 swordman owned by the Carthage , 2 legionaires owned by the RomanRepublic and 1 spearman owned by the Carthage lost in Caralis
Carthage roll dice for 4 swordmen in Caralis, round 3 : 0/4 hits
RomanRepublic roll dice for 1 legionaire in Caralis, round 3 : 0/1 hits
Carthage roll dice for 4 swordmen in Caralis, round 4 : 0/4 hits
RomanRepublic roll dice for 1 legionaire in Caralis, round 4 : 1/1 hits
1 swordman owned by the Carthage lost in Caralis
Carthage roll dice for 3 swordmen in Caralis, round 5 : 3/3 hits
RomanRepublic roll dice for 1 legionaire in Caralis, round 5 : 0/1 hits
1 legionaire owned by the RomanRepublic lost in Caralis
Carthage win, taking Caralis from RomanRepublic with 3 swordmen remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
Casualties for RomanRepublic: 1 ballista and 4 legionaires
Casualties for Carthage: 2 spearmen and 2 swordmen
Battle in Palantia
Carthage attack with 2 cavalrys and 2 swordmen
Neutral defend with 3 cavalrys
Carthage roll dice for 2 cavalrys and 2 swordmen in Palantia, round 1 : 2/4 hits
Neutral roll dice for 3 cavalrys in Palantia, round 1 : 2/3 hits
2 cavalrys owned by the Neutral and 2 swordmen owned by the Carthage lost in Palantia
Carthage roll dice for 2 cavalrys in Palantia, round 2 : 0/2 hits
Neutral roll dice for 1 cavalry in Palantia, round 2 : 0/1 hits
Carthage roll dice for 2 cavalrys in Palantia, round 3 : 0/2 hits
Neutral roll dice for 1 cavalry in Palantia, round 3 : 1/1 hits
1 cavalry owned by the Carthage lost in Palantia
Carthage roll dice for 1 cavalry in Palantia, round 4 : 1/1 hits
Neutral roll dice for 1 cavalry in Palantia, round 4 : 0/1 hits
1 cavalry owned by the Neutral lost in Palantia
Carthage win, taking Palantia from Neutral with 1 cavalry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Neutral: 3 cavalrys
Casualties for Carthage: 1 cavalry and 2 swordmen
Battle in SZ 24
Carthage attack with 4 biremes and 4 triremes
RomanRepublic defend with 4 biremes and 4 triremes
Carthage roll dice for 4 biremes and 4 triremes in SZ 24, round 1 : 3/8 hits
RomanRepublic roll dice for 4 biremes and 4 triremes in SZ 24, round 1 : 2/8 hits
2 biremes owned by the Carthage and 3 biremes owned by the RomanRepublic lost in SZ 24
Carthage roll dice for 2 biremes and 4 triremes in SZ 24, round 2 : 2/6 hits
RomanRepublic roll dice for 1 bireme and 4 triremes in SZ 24, round 2 : 0/5 hits
1 bireme owned by the RomanRepublic and 1 trireme owned by the RomanRepublic lost in SZ 24
Carthage roll dice for 2 biremes and 4 triremes in SZ 24, round 3 : 3/6 hits
RomanRepublic roll dice for 3 triremes in SZ 24, round 3 : 1/3 hits
1 bireme owned by the Carthage and 3 triremes owned by the RomanRepublic lost in SZ 24
Carthage win with 1 bireme and 4 triremes remaining. Battle score for attacker is 55
Casualties for RomanRepublic: 4 biremes and 4 triremes
Casualties for Carthage: 3 biremes

Non Combat Move - Carthage

Place Units - Carthage
1 hoplite and 4 swordmen placed in Lilybaeum
1 bireme and 1 trireme placed in SZ 36
2 spearmen and 1 swordman placed in Carthago
Carthage undo move 1.
4 swordmen placed in Lilybaeum
1 trireme placed in SZ 33
1 bireme placed in SZ 32
1 hoplite placed in Carthago

Turn Complete - Carthage
Carthage collect 75 PUs; end with 75 PUs total

lexgreat

pls take this file instead.

Panther

Lol … you see: The dice even it out. Absoultely no reason for you to surrender.
I’m sure you will win this game!
:-)

Panther

Test summary from TripleA, engine version: 1.6.1.2, time: 20:50:51

Panther

Just a test because I had to correct the forum data in your second file.

Panther

TripleA Turn Summary for game: 270BC, version: 1.1.2

Game History

Round :4

Purchase Units - RomanRepublic
RomanRepublic buy 7 biremes and 4 velitess; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - RomanRepublic
1 ballista, 3 cavalrys, 7 legionaires and 2 velitess moved from Verona to Genua

Combat - RomanRepublic
Battle in Genua
RomanRepublic attack with 1 ballista, 3 cavalrys, 7 legionaires and 2 velitess
Neutral defend with 3 cavalrys and 3 swordmen
RomanRepublic roll dice for 1 ballista, 3 cavalrys, 7 legionaires and 2 velitess in Genua, round 1 : 3/13 hits
Neutral roll dice for 3 cavalrys and 3 swordmen in Genua, round 1 : 1/6 hits
1 velites owned by the RomanRepublic and 3 cavalrys owned by the Neutral lost in Genua
RomanRepublic roll dice for 1 ballista, 3 cavalrys, 7 legionaires and 1 velites in Genua, round 2 : 9/12 hits
Neutral roll dice for 3 swordmen in Genua, round 2 : 1/3 hits
3 swordmen owned by the Neutral and 1 velites owned by the RomanRepublic lost in Genua
RomanRepublic win, taking Genua from Neutral with 1 ballista, 3 cavalrys and 7 legionaires remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18
Casualties for Neutral: 3 cavalrys and 3 swordmen
Casualties for RomanRepublic: 2 velitess

Non Combat Move - RomanRepublic
4 velitess moved from Roma to Arretium
2 biremes and 3 triremes moved from SZ 28 to SZ 34
4 legionaires and 5 velitess moved from Capua to SZ 34
4 legionaires and 5 velitess moved from SZ 34 to Messana
1 bireme moved from SZ 44 to SZ 35
1 velites moved from Capua to SZ 35
1 velites moved from SZ 35 to Messana

Place Units - RomanRepublic
4 velitess placed in Roma
7 biremes placed in SZ 28

Turn Complete - RomanRepublic
RomanRepublic collect 61 PUs; end with 61 PUs total

Territory Summary for RomanRepublic :

Arretium : 1 flag, 4 velitess
Roma : 1 flag, 1 city and 8 velitess
Verona : 1 flag
Aleria : 1 flag
Messana : 1 flag, 4 forts, 8 legionaires and 11 velitess
Capua : 1 flag, 1 city, 4 legionaires and 7 velitess
SZ 35 : 1 flag, 1 bireme
SZ 34 : 1 flag, 2 biremes and 3 triremes
SZ 28 : 1 flag, 7 biremes
Genua : 1 flag, 1 ballista, 3 cavalrys and 7 legionaires
Patavium : 1 flag

Production/PUs Summary :

Carthage : 75 / 75
RomanRepublic : 61 / 61
GreekCityStates : 32 / 38
Macedonia : 47 / 47
Egypt : 35 / 41
Seleucid : 39 / 44
Parthia : 53 / 55
Numidia : 36 / 36

Panther

Greek City States to follow tomorrow.
I have to think carefully about this next move.

lexgreat

I had good rolls, neutrals didnt do bad as well. But still Seleucia will prove deciding, I could have delayed you several turns….

Panther

Test summary from TripleA, engine version: 1.6.1.2, time: 17:35:09

Panther

Just a test because I updated to Java 7 Update 10 today.

Greek States to follow…

Panther

OK then…either a lucky Greek win … or an epic fail…

DO or DIE

Panther

TripleA Turn Summary for game: 270BC, version: 1.1.2

Game History

Round :4

Purchase Units - GreekCityStates
GreekCityStates buy 4 hoplites and 9 slingerss; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - GreekCityStates
3 archers, 9 hoplites and 1 slingers moved from Sardis to Pergamum
15 hoplites moved from Athens to SZ 68
3 biremes, 15 hoplites and 4 triremes moved from SZ 68 to SZ 69
15 hoplites moved from SZ 69 to Thessalonica

Combat - GreekCityStates
Battle in Thessalonica
GreekCityStates attack with 15 hoplites
Macedonia defend with 1 city, 3 hoplites, 6 peltastss and 5 swordmen
GreekCityStates roll dice for 15 hoplites in Thessalonica, round 1 : 8/15 hits
Macedonia roll dice for 3 hoplites, 6 peltastss and 5 swordmen in Thessalonica, round 1 : 4/14 hits
2 swordmen owned by the Macedonia , 4 hoplites owned by the GreekCityStates and 6 peltastss owned by the Macedonia lost in Thessalonica
GreekCityStates roll dice for 11 hoplites in Thessalonica, round 2 : 3/11 hits
Macedonia roll dice for 3 hoplites and 3 swordmen in Thessalonica, round 2 : 1/6 hits
3 swordmen owned by the Macedonia and 1 hoplite owned by the GreekCityStates lost in Thessalonica
GreekCityStates roll dice for 10 hoplites in Thessalonica, round 3 : 5/10 hits
Macedonia roll dice for 3 hoplites in Thessalonica, round 3 : 1/3 hits
3 hoplites owned by the Macedonia and 1 hoplite owned by the GreekCityStates lost in Thessalonica
GreekCityStates captures 47PUs while taking Macedonia capital
GreekCityStates win, taking Thessalonica from Macedonia with 9 hoplites remaining. Battle score for attacker is 17
Casualties for Macedonia: 3 hoplites, 6 peltastss and 5 swordmen
Casualties for GreekCityStates: 6 hoplites
Battle in Pergamum
GreekCityStates attack with 3 archers, 9 hoplites and 1 slingers
Macedonia defend with 8 hoplites and 2 swordmen
GreekCityStates roll dice for 3 archers, 9 hoplites and 1 slingers in Pergamum, round 1 : 0/13 hits
Macedonia roll dice for 8 hoplites and 2 swordmen in Pergamum, round 1 : 4/10 hits
1 slingers owned by the GreekCityStates and 3 archers owned by the GreekCityStates lost in Pergamum
9 hoplites owned by the GreekCityStates retreated to Sardis
Macedonia win with 8 hoplites and 2 swordmen remaining. Battle score for attacker is -14
Casualties for GreekCityStates: 3 archers and 1 slingers

Non Combat Move - GreekCityStates
1 slingers moved from Athens to SZ 67
1 bireme and 1 slingers moved from SZ 67 to SZ 66
1 slingers moved from SZ 66 to Rhodos

Place Units - GreekCityStates
1 hoplite and 1 slingers placed in Sparta
6 slingerss placed in Sardis
3 hoplites and 2 slingerss placed in Athens

Turn Complete - GreekCityStates
GreekCityStates collect 38 PUs; end with 85 PUs total

Territory Summary for GreekCityStates :

Sparta : 1 flag, 1 city, 1 hoplite and 1 slingers
Thessalonica : 1 flag, 1 city and 9 hoplites
Corinth : 1 flag
Athens : 1 flag, 1 cavalry, 1 city, 3 hoplites and 2 slingerss
SZ 69 : 1 flag, 3 biremes and 4 triremes
SZ 66 : 1 flag, 1 bireme
Sardis : 1 flag, 1 city, 9 hoplites and 6 slingerss
Messana : 1 flag, 2 cavalrys, 5 hoplites and 4 slingerss
Rhodos : 1 flag, 1 slingers

Production/PUs Summary :

Carthage : 75 / 75
RomanRepublic : 61 / 61
GreekCityStates : 38 / 85
Macedonia : 41 / 0
Egypt : 35 / 41
Seleucid : 39 / 44
Parthia : 53 / 55
Numidia : 36 / 36

Dice Statistics:

Total
1 was rolled 10 times
2 was rolled 16 times
3 was rolled 15 times
4 was rolled 14 times
5 was rolled 16 times
6 was rolled 11 times
Average roll : 3,524
Median : 3,500
Variance : 0,444
Standard Deviation : 0,667
Total rolls : 82

Macedonia Combat
1 was rolled 4 times
2 was rolled 5 times
3 was rolled 5 times
4 was rolled 7 times
5 was rolled 8 times
6 was rolled 4 times
Average roll : 3,667
Median : 4,000
Variance : 0,469
Standard Deviation : 0,685
Total rolls : 33

GreekCityStates Combat
1 was rolled 6 times
2 was rolled 11 times
3 was rolled 10 times
4 was rolled 7 times
5 was rolled 8 times
6 was rolled 7 times
Average roll : 3,429
Median : 3,000
Variance : 0,396
Standard Deviation : 0,629
Total rolls : 49

lexgreat

19 lost units to neutrals in Macedonia 1 were to many. And the oversight with Parthian horse archers. Shame.

Congrats

BotA Rd 3 (270 BC): P@anther (Rome) vs. AlexGreat (Macedonia and Co)

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