• @Degrasse:

    Somewhere around here should be a post by Soulfein that shows a very strong standard German opening.  Pounds Paris, Yugoslavia, sea zone 110, and sea zone 111.  That opening also uses the standard G1 buy of one CV and two transports.

    I couldnt find it but i found this:

    What would you do in response to this as the German opening?

    Build 2 fighters and 1 destroyer, Save 2
    Take 106 with 2 subs (117 / 118) (87% win)
    Take 91 with 2 subs (103/ 108) (85% win)
    Attack 111 (BB, DD, CA) with 1 sub (124), 1 fighter (Norway), 1 tac (Western Germany), 1 fighter (Holland), 1 tac (Western Germany) 1 strat (Germany) 85% with scramble, 98% without scramble
    Attack southern France with 1 armor (Great Southern Germany), 1 tac (Germany) and 2 mech (Great Southern Germany) - 98% win
    Take France Turn 1 (7 infantry, 2 mec, 3 artillery, 5 tanks) 97% win
    Attack French Fleet with 2 fighters (Western Germany), 1 Tac (West Germany) 1 Bomber (Germany) (99%) Tac and 1 or 2 fighters continue to Tobruk
    Take Bulgaria with 1 infrantry from Romania / Finland with 1 infrantry from Norway
    Take Yugoslavia (3 tanks, 6 infantry with 3 from great southern germany, 1 from romania, 2 from slovakia, 2 artillery from great southern Germany), 1 tac from Poland, 1 fighter from Slovakia (1 fighter continues to Tobruk or South Italy, Tac Continues to South Italy as well)
    Move all AAA guns to Holland, land some planes there for defense.
    Place Destroyer in 112, Move Battleship and Cruiser there
    Place 2 fighters in Western Germany, to join at least another fighter.

    I have another couple of noob questions :D

    1. Can UKP buy troops and put them in London?
    2. Armor is Tank right?
    3. I read that many person send German ftr or tac to italy; is this to help italy (using scramble) to resist UK1 attack on Italy fleet?

    Thanks :D


  • Hello again.
    1. No. They are 2 separate economies. Only Tech can be shared.
    2. Yes.
    3. Yes. Is a must.


  • I would think you were going Barbarossa if you bought as you suggest. I would buy 4Inf for London and then place a minor in Egypt and get 1 Mech for SA.
    I would still do Taranto(Italian fleet) even if you could scramble 3 Planes(1 German). If this sea battle went badly, I might drop the Minor IC in West India instead of Egypt. I do not plan on losing it to Italy!
    Russia would be ready for a G2 attack, mixing up the Inf buy with a Mech. I wod move to the borders, including the Persian one.


  • @wittmann:

    I would think you were going Barbarossa if you bought as you suggest. I would buy 4Inf for London and then place a minor in Egypt and get 1 Mech for SA.
    I would still do Taranto(Italian fleet) even if you could scramble 3 Planes(1 German). If this sea battle went badly, I might drop the Minor IC in West India instead of Egypt. I do not plan on losing it to Italy!
    Russia would be ready for a G2 attack, mixing up the Inf buy with a Mech. I wod move to the borders, including the Persian one.

    Thanks for your answers.
    That strat was one I found, I think it was a G1 into Barbarossa. I am still very unsure what it´s better between Barbarossa and Sealion. We played 1 game only (10 games of 1942) but I played as allies. My friend went for full barbarossa, which resulted in me landing with US in Africa (I did not build an IC in Egypt) and with UK doing a massive land in Norway and taking it. This was mostly due to mistake of my friend. My mistake was not going for Taranto (I move the UK fleet down to merge it with the India one before doing enything to italy, I know I am noob :P).
    Next week I will play axis and I think I will try to go for a Sealion, buying 2 transports and 1 destroyer for germany, and only later buy something to try to stop russia from invading on the eastern front.


  • I would spend the other 8 if I were you. If you  get a Sub you can convoy UK or Russia’s SZ 125 If he does not build a Destroyer. If you get a 2nd Destroyer you can go after both Russia’s Subs or have extra protection for your 3 Transports. Make sure you park your fleet in a SZ into which you can scramble, just in case.
    If you do a Sealion and it succeeds be aware both US and Russia can DOW. Do not let Russia take your Eastern territories too cheaply. If he has any sense he will be on your borders waiting.


  • Yeah, good idea.
    Instead if I decide to go for a full barbarossa I would buy 2 ftrs and 1 destroyer, take Paris (ofc). Do you think it would be better to attack on G1 or wait to mass more forces on the border, thus taking yugo and bulgaria? Attacking on G1 i could kill more of his units, which he would otherwise move back, leaving most likely 1 inf for every state to slow me down…


  • Every strategy has its bonuses. I like the flexibility of G2, as you can see how G1 has gone with the UK fleet attacks and build on that.  As you have said attacking on G1 you know what you are facing as they are already set up, but you forfeit trade with him and I would really like to close down SZ125, so as to ensure he does not get his bonus and I am not sure if that Is possible if you are killing UK fleet. And nobody likes fighting the whole world at once!
    Would you not attack the Allies in the Pacific so at least keeping US out of the war?


  • Yeah I will try to do that with japan, but I still haven ´t figured out a good strategy for japan, as I have played only allies and I am now focusing on the europe part… With japan I guess you could focus on land or focus more on island control and a big fleet in order to occupy US as long as possible… maybe both are good. Need to play a coupe of more games though :D


  • Wittman, you can’t change horses midstream and drop the minor you puchased for Egypt onto W India. W India is part of the Pacific board when playing Global.  :-)


  • @wittmann:

    Every strategy has its bonuses. I like the flexibility of G2, as you can see how G1 has gone with the UK fleet attacks and build on that.  As you have said attacking on G1 you know what you are facing as they are already set up, but you forfeit trade with him and I would really like to close down SZ125, so as to ensure he does not get his bonus and I am not sure if that Is possible if you are killing UK fleet. And nobody likes fighting the whole world at once!
    Would you not attack the Allies in the Pacific so at least keeping US out of the war?

    I like G3 because you can protect your stack alot better and u are better off economically.


  • Thanks Fortress. Am used to playing one board or the other. Not Global, so forgot.
    Am at work, but could be is no where to put it as all the 2IPC territories UK start with have one, so I could lose it if things went wrong.
    Point is, Egypt is the favoured choice.


  • Ya, egypt, ontario, or scotland.  the only choices on turn 1

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    @wittmann:

    I would think you were going Barbarossa if you bought as you suggest. I would buy 4Inf for London and then place a minor in Egypt and get 1 Mech for SA.
    I would still do Taranto(Italian fleet) even if you could scramble 3 Planes(1 German). If this sea battle went badly, I might drop the Minor IC in West India instead of Egypt. I do not plan on losing it to Italy!
    Russia would be ready for a G2 attack, mixing up the Inf buy with a Mech. I wod move to the borders, including the Persian one.

    In my opinion, this is a very inadequate answer to the G1 proposed.
    It literally gives away UK.
    Germany still has 73 IPC in hand, and they can buy 10 transports (or 8tr and AC), with a bombing G2 of the London IC, and 2 units from Canada (at best).
    With no french fleet to take care of, Italy will recover quickly from Taranto, and if UK falls, then that nice Mic in Egypt will belong to Italy soon.


  • You may be right Axis player.
    But if the German player does not build 2APs on G1, he is asking for the UK to take advantage. It is breathing space for him. An opportunity to be aggressive and take the war to the enemy. Italy has to be hurt. I am not sure the IC will be lost, but accept it is a gamble worth taking.
    If Germany builds his 10 APs on G2 can I not spend my 28(usually33) on Inf then?
    It does also depend where the 22 ground units he is proposing to invade with are at the end of G1 of course.
    Or how well protected they are without a CV and 2 Air.
    I do not think my counter bluff is that bad.


  • Excuse my writing in haste before. Having reread the attacks as well as the buys, i see UK is left with the Channel fleet as the French one was eliminated instead. (We have never tried this, but I know the merits.) The 2nd point I missed is  the 2 or 3 Air units that have suddenly appeared in Tobruk. I do not have an answer yet and wonder if you do Axis Player.
    I do still want to see the UK fight back. It is possible the IC would be a mistake and too much of a risk now. Can we build 3 mobile units for SA and attack Tobruk instead, expecting the italian counter to take Cairo, I wonder. The loss of SZ91’s Cruiser tips the balance in favour of the Italians now. Thank you for pointing that out.
    And where do we send our 2 ships in the Channel with German Subs present?
    I cannot look in to it today, so please tell me if you have any ideas.

  • TripleA

    I always buy transports on J1. In the past I have bought minors with Japan J1, what ends up happening is I churn out 3 inf a turn there, it is not bad… They don’t go poof when they are taken so you can just take it back if some transports make a suicide run for it.

    Honestly when I was developing my Japan strategies it was under the assumption that minor ics on china spots go poof when they are taken… also there was debate over building in some of the spots. So yeah it is tough to say if I should always buy transports or not. Directly placing units on Asia has merit. Avoid tank buys, get mechanized infantry if anything.


  • @wittmann:

    If Germany builds his 10 APs on G2 can I not spend my 28(usually33) on Inf then?

    It won’t be enough, especially with G2 SBR and a few IPCs lost to the convoy raid of z106.  With the French ships gone and Southern France as a landing spot, z92 is not a safe spot for the UK fleet even with the British ships from z109 and z110.  Taranto raid may be the best option.  Anytime you do Taranto you are very vulnerable to sealion because of the lost air units, so building anything other than infantry is asking for it.

    Parts of this G1 are good, but I don’t like the idea of sending German planes to North Africa where they are out of position.  Land them in Rome and if UK does Taranto you have the option to scramble them instead of the Italians.  You can save the Italian fighters for a counterattack.  Germany might also consider building subs G1 to sink remnants of UK fleet with less air losses.


  • Thanks Vance. Would you not recommend an Egypt IC ever then? Seems a shame not to punish Germany for his cheeky G1 buy. Maybe 1 Tank and 1 Mech with 6 Inf if he omits those 2APs on G1 then and opens this way.


  • Sometimes an IC in Egypt is great, but a lot of the time you can do just as well with a transport shuck from South Africa, or if you don’t have enough naval units or an airbase to defend z81, just build tanks and mechs and drive them to Egypt.  I would only build an IC in Egypt (or persia?) after the sealion scare has passed (i.e. no transports built on G2).


  • Thanks Vance. Twice when I have played as the Axis my opponent has built an Egyptian IC on UK 1 instead of buying 9 Inf and I have been angered by his impudence and determined to take London. Unfortunately,  I was unlucky the 1st time, narrowly failing and  we never got to play the 3rd turn on the 2nd occasion, so I did not get to try a Sealion that time.
    I wonder if he will resist the temptation to try a 3rd time. (Will not play until December.)
    Anyway,  this explains my interest in G1 non Transport buys.

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