For a neutral Italy rule (which would then allow AH a mine free move) putting UK SZ19 forces at risk, one of the following 3 should be done…
change UK setup to move 1 CA from SZ29 to SZ19; move UK CA/TR from SZ19 to SZ28; create new SZ31 by splitting SZ17 in half at a point on border between SZ16 and SZ17 below Sicily and extending to point where Albania borders Greece.Delta +1
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VICHY FRANCE
When Paris falls to Germany in the first round, both Southern France and Normandy automatically become German territories. However, the French infantry, and artillery units remain as the French underground. Germany may collect their IPC value, build units on their factories, and move units into both territories while French units are still there. However, the French units may not move, or be attacked by the axis until the territory is liberated by an allied force.
During Germany’s collect income phase, the French units that remain (if any) may sabotage (convoy rules) @ 1 dice per unit for a maximum of their territories IPC value. France no longer has a turn, *all other remaining French units on the board move during the United Kingdoms turn by the UK player. If Germany wishes to avoid being sabotaged in one or both territories, the French units must be attacked and removed before (or on the same turn) Paris falls.
*Except for the ships in sea zone #93.
After Paris falls…. the UK player rolls a dice to determine their fate.
1 = The fleet becomes British
2 = The fleet remains French
3 = The fleet remains French
4 = The fleet is removed
5 = The fleet is removed
6 = The fleet becomes GermanThere is a little bit here for both sides… Thoughts?
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Southern Franceand Normandy automatically become German territoryThe Vichy capital is in southern France. To give Southern France to Germany is farcical IMO. Let them attack it like they did in 1942.
words like the ‘French underground’ need to be explained. The entire concept needs fleshing out and language similar to OOB in terms of style.
So also what is the list of Vichy areas?
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VICHY FRANCE
When Paris falls to Germany, Normandy automatically becomes German controlled and Germany may use the Factory. However, the French land and air units do not perform non-combat movement and become either Vichy ( strict neutral) or Free French ( controlled UK player on his turn). However, the French Vichy units are considered strict neutral and fight any player that attacks them. They are subject to diplomacy rules. Below is the list of French areas and their disposition:
Vichy Areas: ( strict neutral)
Southern Europe
Morocco
Algeria
Tunisia
Syria
Madagascar
French Indo-China**FIC is a special case, strict neutral applies to all nations except Japan. In any case OOB rules prevail.
Free French Areas: ( pro-allies)
French West Africa
French Central Africa
French Equatorial AfricaDuring Germany’s collect income phase, the Free French naval units that remain (if any) can perform convoy disruptions* @ 1 dice per unit for a maximum of their territories IPC value. France no longer has a turn and all other Free French units on the board move during the United Kingdoms turn. If Germany wishes to avoid convoy disruptions in one or both territories, the French units must be attacked and removed before (or on the same turn) Paris falls.
*No convoy disruptions Free French naval units in sea zone #93.
Once Paris falls the UK player rolls a dice to determine the fate of her Navy:
1 = The fleet becomes British
2 = The fleet remains French
3 = The fleet remains French
4 = The fleet is removed
5 = The fleet is removed
6 = The fleet becomes GermanNote: If Paris is liberated by the Allies, Vichy areas become Pro- Allies. France does not get restored as a full player with her own turn functions.
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Even though it’s raw, I’m ok with what you’ve got, but I may not be the right guy for this rule. You have more house rule experience and history knowledge about Free France and the puppet government, I may not be able to add much value on this one. maybe some one else can flesh that one out with you.
I really want this……
1. Make a condition in one of Germany’s NOs that the Baltic sea must be free of allied ships.
and…
2. Damaged Battleships can not bombard during an amphibious assault.
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@Young:
1. Make a condition in one of Germany’s NOs that the Baltic sea must be free of allied ships.
EXACTLY!! The Swedish Iron Ore NO should definitely include this. I just had a game last weekend with a very odd situation. Russia decided to be very aggressive and purchased some naval units in SZ 115: 1 CA, 2 DD and 3 Transports in addition to the 1 CA and 1 SS they start out with. The idea was to try a sneak invasion of Berlin to end the war quickly. Well, Berlin had too many units but they did manage to invade W Germany and Denmark. The invasion of Denmark was successful but Germany repelled the invasion of W Germany by the skin of it’s teeth (1 fighter left).
Germany got Denmark back and also took Leningrad next round so no more naval invasions were attempted by Russia because they had no way of getting more land units for their transports. With Denmark retaken by Germany, those Soviet ships were stuck in the Baltic sea.
Now, the German NO states: 5 IPCs if Germany controls Norway and Denmark and Sweeden is not Pro-Allied or Allied controlled. Well, Sweeden was still strict neutral and Germany did control Norway and Denmark so this was technically true. However, here is this rather large Russian fleet sitting in the Baltic with nothing really to threaten it. Germany’s navy was almost non-existant at this time and what Luftwaffe there was were needed in other area and couldn’t be risked by attacking Soviet warships that were basically not hurting Germany at all. Don’t you think a sizable Soviet fleet like this would disrupt commerce between Sweeden and Germany?
One other note: Before Barbarossa occurs, or Russia’s Combat Movement phase on Round 4 (when they can declare war on Europe Axis), Russia is considered neutral so those Soviet ships in SZ 115 would also be neutral, not Allied. Therefore, Germany should be able to collect the Sweedish NO during the first 4 rounds even with those Russian ships there in the Baltic. However, once Germany attacks Russia, or Russia declares war on the Axis, then those Russian ships need to be dealt with by Germany for Germany to continue getting the Sweedish NO for the rest of the game.
This would force Germany to deal with them and not simply ignore those ships, which often happens in our games. What do you think? Good Idea? -
The Allies ( except Soviet Union) cannot enter the Baltic unless they control Denmark at the start of their turn right?…these are the straights rules already in the rulebook?
Same with Gibraltar and the Medd.
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Damaged Battleships can not bombard during an amphibious assault.
yes right. Good idea. But remember Cruisers now have an advantage ( in a way). People might be more inclined to buy 2 cruisers than 1 Battleship because of this change.
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@Imperious:
Damaged Battleships can not bombard during an amphibious assault.
yes right. Good idea. But remember Cruisers now have an advantage ( in a way). People might be more inclined to buy 2 cruisers than 1 Battleship because of this change.
Good, nobody buys cruisers in our games.
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@Imperious:
The Allies ( except Soviet Union) cannot enter the Baltic unless they control Denmark at the start of their turn right?…these are the straights rules already in the rulebook?
Same with Gibraltar and the Medd.
Can’t pass through the Denmark straight unless you control Denmark, or have permission from the nation that does.
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@Young:
1. Make a condition in one of Germany’s NOs that the Baltic sea must be free of allied ships.
EXACTLY!! The Swedish Iron Ore NO should definitely include this. Now, the German NO states: 5 IPCs if Germany controls Norway and Denmark and Sweeden is not Pro-Allied or Allied controlled. Well, Sweeden was still strict neutral and Germany did control Norway and Denmark so this was technically true. However, here is this rather large Russian fleet sitting in the Baltic with nothing really to threaten it. Germany’s navy was almost non-existant at this time and what Luftwaffe there was were needed in other area and couldn’t be risked by attacking Soviet warships that were basically not hurting Germany at all. Don’t you think a sizable Soviet fleet like this would disrupt commerce between Sweeden and Germany?
One other note: Before Barbarossa occurs, or Russia’s Combat Movement phase on Round 4 (when they can declare war on Europe Axis), Russia is considered neutral so those Soviet ships in SZ 115 would also be neutral, not Allied. Therefore, Germany should be able to collect the Sweedish NO during the first 4 rounds even with those Russian ships there in the Baltic. However, once Germany attacks Russia, or Russia declares war on the Axis, then those Russian ships need to be dealt with by Germany for Germany to continue getting the Sweedish NO for the rest of the game.
This would force Germany to deal with them and not simply ignore those ships, which often happens in our games. What do you think? Good Idea?100%
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Then those Russian ships need to be dealt with by Germany for Germany to continue getting the Swedish NO for the rest of the game.
I don’t see the need for this change. The Russia fleet was much smaller than the German fleet and Germany had the area mined for defense to protect her Iron Ore. The Soviet Baltic fleet was mostly mothballed and used for coastal defense, which the game already in a way accounts for this. The Allied ships the NO is talking about are UK/USA. After turn 4, the Soviet fleet should have no effect on this German NO.
The game is already balanced, this change just helps the allies with no compensation for axis. House rules should try to add options and realism without imbalancing the game.
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@Imperious:
Then those Russian ships need to be dealt with by Germany for Germany to continue getting the Swedish NO for the rest of the game.
I don’t see the need for this change. The Russia fleet was much smaller than the German fleet and Germany had the area mined for defense to protect her Iron Ore. The Soviet Baltic fleet was mostly mothballed and used for coastal defense, which the game already in a way accounts for this. The Allied ships the NO is talking about are UK/USA. After turn 4, the Soviet fleet should have no effect on this German NO.
The game is already balanced, this change just helps the allies with no compensation for axis. �House rules should try to add options and realism without imbalancing the game.
IL, some changes (like this one) need to happen for better game play, and not always for accurate history. The fact is, the Russian ships are mostly trapped or ignored, they might as well be removed from the setup for as much use as they are.
I teach a lot of newbies at my club, and after I explain their options for those Russian ships, they all say the same thing, “thats stupid”, and I tend to agree with them. It’s either this, or allowing subs to pass through the Denmark straight.
We played this German NO house rule for the first time today, and there was zero argument for it’s introduction, it forced Germany to buy a destroyer and fight them…. no big deal.
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I don’t want to see free french and vichy french units the same color blue, and fighting for both sides.
Its going to get confusing.Honestly I think it would be a better stop gap measure to replace the French units in UK with ANZAC counterparts, and add a UK unit in africa somewhere, and lock all French units in place after France falls.
On a related note, any plans for having Canada as a separate power?
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I don’t want to see free french and Vichy french units the same color blue, and fighting for both sides.
Well the Free French could be replaced with UK pieces, because essentially they were financed by UK.
Vichy stays blue and note attacking one Vichy does not make the others go pro. They operate independently in a quasi loose association.
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