Confused with submarines

I’ll be corrected if I’m wrong but from my understanding;

A sub gets a “surprise strike”.  This attack takes place before any other combat is rolled, and subs on BOTH sides (attacker AND defender) roll surprise strikes.  Casualties are removed from the board immediately.  This happens each and every combat turn.

Your sub can choose to EITHER surprise strike OR submerge (if no enemy destroyers are present) but not both in the same round of combat. This happens each and every combat turn.

The sub does not get a surprise strike on the enemies turn.  If they end their movement in your sea zone however you can attack on your combat turn.

@tomojaco:

thanks!

one more:
but if an enemy ships (with no destroyer) are attacking my ships and i also have a sub in this see zone with which i make a surprise attack (as a defender) and later an enemy hits me, can he/she hit the sub, or is it still invisible to them?

those rules are killing me  :lol:

From what i know, if you attack a sub with (for example) a cruiser, it can chose to either submerge (before the cruiser gets a chance to attack) or defend (if it defends it gets to shoot before the cruiser, so if it hits, the cruiser would sink before it can attack).

Simply said: in a battle (without destroyers) first the attacking subs fire and defending subs fire, then casualties are removed (so a hit sub can shoot back but a hit cruiser or carrier cannot), and then the remaining (attacking and defending) surface war ships (and air) can fire.

I think “first strike” would be less confusing than “surprise strike”

edit: i hope i’m correct here :D

@Rorschach:

Your sub can choose to EITHER surprise strike OR submerge (if no enemy destroyers are present) but not both in the same round of combat. This happens each and every combat turn.

However, once the sub submerges it is out of the combat for good.

This may help:

Combat Sequence
#1 Attacking Subs Submerge/Surprise Strike (only if there’s no enemy destroyers present, otherwise they fire on #5)
#2 Defender Chooses Casualties (if there isn’t an defending destroyer(s) present, those units are removed immediately and don’t fire back, unless subs are chosen as casualties)
#3 Defending Subs Submerge/Surprise Strike (only if there’s no enemy destroyers present, otherwise they fire on #7)
#4 Attacker Chooses Casualties (if there isn’t an attacking destroyer(s) present, those units are removed immediately and don’t fire back, unless subs are chosen as casualties)
#5 Remaining Attacking Units Fire
#6 Defender Chooses Casualties
#7 Remaining Defending Units Fire
#8 Attacker Chooses Casualties
#9 Remove Casualties
#10 If there are still attacking and defending units remaining the attacker chooses to either press the attack or retreat. If the attack continues repeat #1, otherwise combat ends.

The surviving Cruiser gets a shot. If it hits,  the Transport will be sunk too. If it misses, the lucky Sub can choose to go again with a first strike or submerge and leave the Transport to die. Once a round of combat has been initiated by the Sub deciding to stay and fight, you have to finish that round.
If rhe Sub decides to stay and fight, not having a defending Destroyer present does not make it impregnable, except to Air units.

Incidentally, is the Sub commander in your scenario after the Knight’s Cross? He does not seem normal!
You understand it defends on a “1”?