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Potential Flashpoint for Internatinal Conflict
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This is what Chemical/Biological weapons are for.
The Japanese have -extensive- knowledge from their last encounter with the Chinese.
I’m not saying it’s right, I’m just saying don’t be surprised when you see it happen.
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I’m hoping the US has some Machiavellian scheme in progress. Trade some jobs and wealth to move China from a nuclear armed nation in 1970 that nobody could have leverage against to a nation it is today wholly reliant on making their middle class happy with modern trinkets based on imported raw materials. In the 70s most Chinese were too busy trying to stay alive so really what could be done against China other than nuke them and take a few nukes back from the meager arsenal of Chinese ICBMs (100 nukes in total?). Now an easy to enforce naval blockade would change things on the ground in China. The question, what will that change bring?
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Japan and China trade barbs at the UN. Japan drops the “Your mamma” bomb, the Chinese ambassador had to be held back by the North Korean ambassador! Well not quite but Japan did drop the “Under international law it’s ours so nah nah. Since it’s ours there is NO dispute to talk about!”
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Thanks MrMalachiCrunch.
I do not keep up enough with current affairs.
My head is firmly buried in History. -
I find China to be a fascinating topic. I’ve spent most of my life in Canada 20 miles from the US border. Growing up next to a giant I think it will be interesting to watch how that giant reacts when it realizes there is another giant in the same room. One can only hope the new giant will be as relatively friendly as the old giant is now.
The US has a history of not wanting to be shackled by international law hence it has yet to sign onto the UN international law of the sea. Should that same choice be afforded to China? I for one would like to see the rule of law apply everywhere and wars between nations become a thing of the past. Now for the details, ah the devil in the details!
I would also like to see these laws applied to labour standards so China loses some of its competitive advantages due to brutal working conditions and state manipulation.
This segues into a discussion in my facebook group about bringing jobs back to North America. An interesting article on that:
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I agree. I am disgusted by how many items are Chinese. Things we in England or Italy used to make. It is all to do with economics and we are disadvantaged for the reason you gave.
For ease and cost cutting I have bought Chinese, but do hate myself for it.
Wish our government could subsidise locally made products to make them competitive, but I suppose that would be morally wrong and against some badly thought up international law! -
I think the same stats apply, a few years ago if you ranked the top few destinations for Chinese exports it was USA then Walmart in #2. No sure who much penetration walmart has there, they are a bit behind in Canada compared to the US. Amazing how Walmart imports more chinese products than any other nation other than the one its located in. Really tough to find north american produced items in Walmart.
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Chineses that works “underpaid” would have been poor farmers instead. The country is going toward a very fast industry phase (primary is still very high though). When the country will get more rich the labor condition will improve with it.
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Those underpaid (compared to western standards) workers have a far better life than being a poor farmer. Labour conditions are getting better and the Chinese labour price advantage is starting to shrink. Of course so is the middle class in North America. I have no problem with China stepping up, just not at the expense of us stepping back.
But competing against a country where their workers live 8 to a dorm and work 70 hours per week and can flush toxic chemicals down the toilet is not fair trade.
http://technology.canoe.ca/2012/09/25/20229631.html
A strong assertive modern China will hold the US in check and force the US to be more honest. I like that a great deal. I like competition as long as everyone plays by the same rules. I like the fact if the US wants to bully Canada over oil or softwood lumber then Canada will just sell to the Chinese.
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Speaking of Chinese Pollution…
Did you hear about the Yangtze river turning RED?
The cause -could- be natural, but it’s never happend before, and it still under investigation.
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@wittmann:
I agree. I am disgusted by how many items are Chinese. Things we in England or Italy used to make. It is all to do with economics and we are disadvantaged for the reason you gave.
For ease and cost cutting I have bought Chinese, but do hate myself for it.
Wish our government could subsidise locally made products to make them competitive, but I suppose that would be morally wrong and against some badly thought up international law!Me too hate myself for playing with A&A plastic soldiers that are made in China. Luckily the map and charts are proudly printet in U$A
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Are they really? Did not know that.
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Do you think conflict happens between Iran and Israel?
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@ABWorsham:
Do you think conflict happens between Iran and Israel?
Yes indeed, they have been in conflict for the last 5000 years, why stop now ?
But if you are talking about av full scale war, he!l no, they need each other to suppress their own populations, its a game
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I agree. I do not believe Iran has the balls. Ultimately they have too much to lose. Funding and supporting terrorism is one thing, invasion is another.
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Razor has it right in my opinion. An external enemy has always and will always be the best way to unify a nation. An example is from the classic movie “Canadian Bacon”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0R5DTHcmGU
The problem with an Israeli attack is that it would end up unifying sunnis (mostly) and shias which are normally mortal enemies. An Iranian first attack would end the current regime as the US would really then have to step in, could you imagine the politics back home if the US sat back?
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One has to understand the current status of Arab culture, and the last 200 to 5000 years of it, to realize how volatile it’s population is, and how impossibly difficult it is in those countries to maintain power and order.
It’s like when England was without a king, bloody.
People like Saddam Hussien HAVE to be extensively brutal, if they intend to last.
Again, I don’t endorse the position, but typically, violence and threat of violence, is how these regimes maintain order. You guys are absolutely correct when it comes down to using an external force.
Watch Lawrence of Arabia for a good visual interpretation of what I’m talking about…
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One has to understand the current status of Arab culture, and the last 200 to 5000 years of it, to realize how volatile it’s population is, and how impossibly difficult it is in those countries to maintain power and order.
It’s like when England was without a king, bloody.
People like Saddam Hussien HAVE to be extensively brutal, if they intend to last.
Again, I don’t endorse the position, but typically, violence and threat of violence, is how these regimes maintain order. You guys are absolutely correct when it comes down to using an external force.
Watch Lawrence of Arabia for a good visual interpretation of what I’m talking about…
They need this guy again
Yeah it’s Turkish, but he’s still a muslim
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Nice nose!
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There was a thread where Iran was mentioned as a possible target of attack but I can’t seem to recall where it was! I read this article and thought it interesting how economics might effect change in Iran if the screws is large enough and applied tight enough. Lets home the people in Iran vote with their wallet and install leaders who will exude rational thought and peaceful ways.
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