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Historical Board Gaming (HBG) new pieces rules
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IL,
As always you’re thought process is working out many usefull things for this game and we all thank you.
I commend your efforts, and have a few “suggestions” for your consideration.
Bombers dropping Paratroopers
Since we’re talking about the NEW HBG units that are available, I can’t understand why you consider the posibility of dropping “Airborne Infantry”(Paratroopers) with Bombers. HBG released the C-46 Commando Air Transport in the same U.S. Supplement Set that the Paratroopers were in. IMHO Bombers, such as a B-17, should NEVER have the capability of dropping Paratroopers. This is the reason the Air Transports exist. Also,FMG plans to release their C-47 Skytrain Air Transport soon(?).
Early War Light Bomber
I am extremely in favor of a new category of “Light Bomber”(or “Attack”) units such as an the American A-20. Maybe one day soon we can also get these units produced. but until they are I was wondering what you were considering using as a “Light Bomber”? The B-25 Mitchell was a Medium Bomber and should have medium power but have a shorter range than a Heavy Bomber such as a B-17.
Escort Carrier
IMHO, Escort Carriers should NOT have the same capacity of aircraft as a full-sized Fleet Carrier. They should: cost less, have less defense, and less aircraft aboard(1).
Fighter-Bomber
IMHO we should establish a new category of Fighter-Bomber for the F-4U Corsair and other simular units that will hopefully be produced. A/D/C/M factors should reflect the Corsairs’ actual capabilities, thus giving the players the choice of new type of unit.
Flamethrower Infantry and/or Tanks
I really liked the idea that “Tigerman77” had for using these units. Basically these “Flamethrower” units cancelled out the defensive effects of any fortifications(pillboxes) while the rest of the attacking force battled the other units in that land zone normally. Simple yet effective.
“Tall Paul”
What do YA’LL think?
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Bombers dropping Paratroopers
Since we’re talking about the NEW HBG units that are available, I can’t understand why you consider the posibility of dropping “Airborne Infantry”(Paratroopers) with Bombers. HBG released the C-46 Commando Air Transport in the same U.S. Supplement Set that the Paratroopers were in. IMHO Bombers, such as a B-17, should NEVER have the capability of dropping Paratroopers. This is the reason the Air Transports exist. Also,FMG plans to release their C-46 Skytrain Air Transport soon(?).
Yea that is the intention, but i am just dealing with what is out currently. Of course a FMG list will be made.
Early War Light Bomber
I am extremely in favor of a new category of “Light Bomber”(or “Attack”) units such as an the American A-20. Maybe one day soon we can also get these units produced. but until they are I was wondering what you were considering using as a “Light Bomber”? The B-25 Mitchell was a Medium Bomber and should have medium power but have a shorter range than a Heavy Bomber such as a B-17.
The HBG Light bomber is already produced, looking at range issues, but right now im just dealing with the payload issues and lower attack rating. I guess the range could be looked at, but i don’t want to make a useless unit
Escort Carrier
IMHO, Escort Carriers should NOT have the same capacity of aircraft as a full-sized Fleet Carrier. They should: cost less, have less defense, and less aircraft aboard(1).
Looking at this , but 1 fighter would mean a huge reduction in capability and buying 2 Jeep carriers might be a better deal than one carrier. Rules not settled on this.
Fighter-Bomber
IMHO we should establish a new category of Fighter-Bomber for the F-4U Corsair and other simular units that will hopefully be produced. A/D/C/M factors should reflect the Corsairs’ actual capabilities, thus giving the players the choice of new type of unit.
Flamethrower Infantry and/or Tanks
I really liked the idea that “Tigerman77” had for using these units. Basically these “Flamethrower” units cancelled out the defensive effects of any fortifications(pillboxes) while the rest of the attacking force battled the other units in that land zone normally. Simple yet effective.
Yes but nobody produced any “fortifications” Instead without making people ‘create’ new units, i just made the defender suffer with -1 at 1:1 basis.
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IL,
Air Transport
The HBG C-46 Commando Air Transport IS CURRENTLY OUT. I’ve had my C-46s for several months now. They are part of the U.S. Supplement set.
Early War Light Bomber
What unit are you considering as an Early War Light Bomber?
Respectfully,
“Tall Paul” -
Changes being made…
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Thanks IL! :-D
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Hey IL,
Did you remove the specifications for the B-25 bomber? I could have sworn I saw it up there earlier and thought you had a good idea with that one.
Attack = 3, Defense = 1, Move = 6. I don’t remember the cost, but probably should be 10 or 11? Would a medium bomber like the B-25 cost as much as a fighter or a tactical bomber?I think lowering the attack value is good enough, don’t need to lower the range as well. Like you said, that might make it a useless unit. If it costs 10, hits at 3 but can only move 4, then why not get a fighter, right? Leave the range, lower the payload and price from regular bombers and I think you’ve got a good piece there.
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Did you remove the specifications for the B-25 bomber? I could have sworn I saw it up there earlier and thought you had a good idea with that one.
Attack = 3, Defense = 1, Move = 6. I don’t remember the cost, but probably should be 10 or 11? Would a medium bomber like the B-25 cost as much as a fighter or a tactical bomber?I think lowering the attack value is good enough, don’t need to lower the range as well. Like you said, that might make it a useless unit. If it costs 10, hits at 3 but can only move 4, then why not get a fighter, right? Leave the range, lower the payload and price from regular bombers and I think you’ve got a good piece there.
Who has already made this piece? I miss-labeled the skytrain as a light bomber.
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IL,
HBG made the B-25 Mitchell medium bomber available in their U.S. Supplement Set at the same time as the Paratroopers and C-46s.
“Tall Paul”
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Show me the link on his site. I only see two American based products that are out: Marines and the American set. Marines got just fighters, other got one bomber type of plane.
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@Imperious:
Show me the link on his site. I only see two American based products that are out: Marines and the American set. Marines got just fighters, other got one bomber type of plane.
Dark Green:
http://www.historicalboardgaming.com/HBG-Battle-Pieces–United-States-Supplement-set-Dark-Green_p_626.htmlOlive Drab:
http://www.historicalboardgaming.com/HBG-Battle-Pieces--United-States-Supplement-set-Olive-Drab_p_663.html -
ok got it. I didn’t notice two bomber types since i sent them back to get OOB colors.
I will adjust the unit profiles shortly.
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What are your thoughts on the early war fighter for the US. The P40 fighter, I guess one will go to China at start up as the Flying Tigers.
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Well the issue is most players are not getting any early war fighters. Id just assume the P-40 was a total OOB replacement and the p-38 could be something else.
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The info. for the B-25 and any thoughts about German set #2, The Early War Russian Set, or French Set that we have a list knowing what they are going to be. And what are you’re thoughts about the Table Tactics accessories stuff?
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I don’t deal with table tactics. The Quality is too marginal. The ships are terrible and they don’t belong on the game table.
I have bought alot of that product but no longer use them since HBG and FMG
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IL,
I too have some Table Tactics pieces. And I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusions on their detail quality, or lack thereof.
“Tall Paul”
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I agree with the quality but i don’t know where else to get b-29s and v-2s.
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Infantry w/ M36 Helmet
122mm M-30 Artillery (not sure here)
T-26 Light Tank (I was thinking 2/2/2/4 Tank can be built until Russia is at war then Russia can build OOB Tanks)
T-34/76 Medium tank (not sure what to do here, would have rather it been T-34/85 just so it’s different than OOB Tank)
KV-2 Heavy Tank (Russian Mobile Artillery??)
Su-76 Tank Destroyer (Russian Tank Destroyer)
Kaytusha SP Artillery (Special Russian Unit, I was thinking 3/1/2/6 secret sub strike ability but on land)
I-16 Early War Fighter (2/3/4/7 Fighter can be built until Russia is at war then Russia can build OOB Fighters)
Su-2 Tac Bomber (2/2/4/8 Tac Bomber can be built until Russia is at war then Russia can build OOB Tac Bombers)
IL-4 Medium Bomber (Russian B-25??)
Gaz-60 Mech (1/2/2/5 Mech Inf. that can tow Artillery??)
Bf-110 Tac Bombers (not sure here)
210mm Morser 18 Heavy Artillery (not sure here)
Panzer IV Medium Tanks (not sure how to do the jump from Panzer III to Panzer IV to OOB Panther)
Elefant Heavy Tank Destroyers (not sure)
Me-262 Jet Fighters (4/5/4/10 Need Jet Fighter Tech to build)
Ju-488 Heavy Bomber (This Bomber never saw production, from what i’ve read, but if anything I think it should be the America Bomber that being said and counting territories for range i come up with 4/1/11/18 need long range aircraft and heavy bombers to build
251 Halftracks-Mech (1/2/2/5 Mech. Inf that can tow Artillery??)
Do-17 Medium Bomber (stuck again with Ju-88 and He-111 not sure how to deal with this one)Are all units coming out and they don’t have rules yet. I would like to hit the ground running with them, straight from the box to the game board. Some of them are just Russian versions of Axis Minor Units and some are German versions of American Units.
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Yavid,
The “Coach” at HBG had planned to produce the B-29 SuperFortress in his “U.S. Naval Supplement Set” but that set has temporarily been post-poned due to not quite enough support. It was going to be a set of mostly Naval ships that would’ve been produced in addition to his regularly scheduled items. I imagine that they, HBG would be very interested in producing the B-29 sometime later. So stay tuned. Both HBG and FMG have already started unleashing a wave of new units for all of our enjoyment.
“Tall Paul”
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lol i know i check hbg page everyday waiting for the germany #2 set and the Early War Russian set. Hey while i’m on the subject Coach can you update the page. You still have Germany #2 coming out April 1rst and if you’re feeling really nice put up a new release date.
I personally wouldn’t have done the sets per nation but per piece. IE Paratroops set, little tank set, SPA Set, but then again for marketing reasons a set per nation works better.
I’m loving the idea that one day and hopefully soon every nation will be sporting it’s own equipment. No more American Artillery with UK and USSR markings. No more Japanese mech. inf. with German markings.
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