A lot of posters seemed stunned at this scenario, never scene it ever happen or even could happen. Now that I mulled it over last night and looked at the rules and so forth it is very obvious to me why no one has ever scene this scenario. Because the scenario makes no logical sense.
Italy DOW on Russia and moves in 2 tanks into Eastern Poland.
Russia is now at war with Italy and can DOW on Germany at the start of their next turn, turn 3.
Germany on Turn 3 does not DOW on Russia and just non combats into Eastern Poland.
Russia at the start of Turn 3 DOW on Germany and off we go.There is no logical reason why Russia would not DOW on Germany at the start of Turn 3, none.
Heck you could argue that it makes no logical sense that Germany did not DOW on Russia at the start of G3 since Italy brought Russia into the war and Russia WILL DOW on Germany on R3.
Hi PainState,
From my perspective, if I was planning on doing a G3 Barbarossa AND I wanted to drive towards the south, then yes, it makes sense to not DOW. My stack will be together except for the minimum required mobile units and maybe 1 AAA in Poland so Russia doesn’t attack Poland to get their NO for occupying an Axis territory. But E. Poland will be real strong because the German air will be there and maybe bombers will also be in range of a raid on the Moscow factory. Also, 5 IPCs is more income than I’d probably get as Germany on the 1st turn.
There are a few disadvantages of course. 1, Russian blockers can’t be attacked. 2, the Scandinavian units are behind. But for me that’s ok, I just use them to lay siege anyways. I never expect to get Moscow on turn 6 anymore. I assume that the UK/Anzac and that lone French fighter are going to get to Moscow.Â
Germany Opening Move I've Been Trying
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A German opening I’ve been having success with involves taking all the UK DD’s off the board.
Opening buy: Carrier, Sub, DD
Standard attacks on Paris, Southern France and a strafe of Yugoslavia.
What I do on the water:
2 subs to 106; 2 subs to 91; 1 sub, 3 fighters & 3 tac’s to 109; 1 BB, 1 fighter, 1 tac (can land on the carrier) and 2 bombers to 111.
106 and 91 usually end with 3 subs surviving. The other battles are dependent on scrambling obviously, but I like my odds no matter what.
If UK scrambles 4 planes to the 109 battle then they’ve hurt their chance at a successful Taranto (especially if the battle in SZ91 goes as planned) and left themselves wide open to Sea Lion. Even though Germany would lose a few planes I’d gladly welcome a scramble in this situation.
I’ve done this a couple of times in face to face games and ran it about ten times using Triple A; the result is usually 3-4 German subs left on the board (not counting the one that was purchased) with nary a DD in the Atlantic to do anything about it.
Just to see how it would go I tried it a few times with the UK scrambling its 4 planes (well, one belongs to France but who cares about them) and the results aren’t any better: UK loses the RAF while taking out (usually) two fighters and a tac. With the RAF out of commission the Germans can buy as few as 5 transports and still take London turn 3, not to mention Italy gets to keep more of its ships than usual.
Thoughts? Questions? Holes in my plan?
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A German opening I’ve been having success with involves taking all the UK DD’s off the board.
Opening buy: Carrier, Sub, DD
Standard attacks on Paris, Southern France and a strafe of Yugoslavia.
What I do on the water:
2 subs to 106; 2 subs to 91; 1 sub, 3 fighters & 3 tac’s to 109; 1 BB, 1 fighter, 1 tac (can land on the carrier) and 2 bombers to 111.
106 and 91 usually end with 3 subs surviving. The other battles are dependent on scrambling obviously, but I like my odds no matter what.
If UK scrambles 4 planes to the 109 battle then they’ve hurt their chance at a successful Taranto (especially if the battle in SZ91 goes as planned) and left themselves wide open to Sea Lion. Even though Germany would lose a few planes I’d gladly welcome a scramble in this situation.
I’ve done this a couple of times in face to face games and ran it about ten times using Triple A; the result is usually 3-4 German subs left on the board (not counting the one that was purchased) with nary a DD in the Atlantic to do anything about it.
Just to see how it would go I tried it a few times with the UK scrambling its 4 planes (well, one belongs to France but who cares about them) and the results aren’t any better: UK loses the RAF while taking out (usually) two fighters and a tac. With the RAF out of commission the Germans can buy as few as 5 transports and still take London turn 3, not to mention Italy gets to keep more of its ships than usual.
Thoughts? Questions? Holes in my plan?
I have done this move the past couple times I’ve played. However, I have found that a strong USSR player can ruin Germany because all german resources are going towards Britain… I’m not exactly sure how to prevent this, so this is my only issue with this plan.
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Good point.
I should follow up by saying I don’t like to Sea Lion but if it’s a walk in, well, ya know…
Turn two I usually have 68 to spend and go heavy on Tanks and Mechs.
More than anything it’s about killing those DD’s as a way of preserving the subs.
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Potential counterplay is for UK to not scramble anything, then hit 112 with all they’ve got:
3fig, 1bomb, 1cr, 1bb
vs
1ac, 1cru, 1dd, 1ss, 1tac, 2fig (max possible if 6 air to 109)
I get 51% for attacker and 6% mutual annihilation. Risky, and no Taranto to worry about, but still food for thought. If you lose one plane in 111, your 112 survival drops to around 16%.
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Another good thought.
I usually land one of the fighters from the 109 battle on the carrier and land the fighters from Norway (111 battle) and SH in W Germany. That gives Germany a loaded carrier, a sub, DD, C, two fighters to scramble. Still a target of course, but I’m of the mindset that the UK losing the RAF to wipe out German ships (and in all fairness some planes) is a win for G.
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I didn’t think you could scramble more than 3 planes?
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I didn’t think you could scramble more than 3 planes?
To sea zone 109 you can scramble 4 planes, 1 from scotland and 3 from united kingdom, but you are right, max 3 planes from 1 air base
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With that in mind sz109 might be the best staging point for Royal Navy if the RAF is strong, they can scramble up to 6 fighters there. Never considered that before.
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