• @crusaderiv:

    and americans were arriving, what was the reason they did surrender
    also, there was a large famine in both german and austrian empire at the time (1917-1919)

    No sir…not because of the arriving of American. You over estimated the US presence.
    Yes the German people would starve and to avoid the uprising of the population and avoid a revolt, the German government
    has decided to stop the war.

    i know, i know US had almost nothing to do with great war
    but the prospect of a few new million doughboys did help germany sign the treaty, no?


  • but the prospect of a few new million doughboys did help germany sign the treaty, no?
    No, Germans lost the initiative after the battles of summer 1918.
    The bad moral of german population and spanish flu call off the war.


  • As I recall, the first two or three pages of Barbara Tuchman’s book The Zimmermann Telegram give a vivid portrait (well worth reading) of the state in which the European combatants were in early 1917: all of them drained, Germany beginning to starve, revolution stirring in Russia, and so forth.  France and Britain were looking towards the untapped resources of the U.S. and seeing America as the only thing that could change the situation before the European nations had exhausted themselves beyond the point of recovery, and were frustrated by President Wilson’s efforts to negotiate a peace settlement; Germany, on the other hand, was keeping Wilson talking in order to keep him neutral.

  • '10

    After the Revolution in Russia, similar movements and situations were gaining ground both in Germany and in France.  It was believed at the time that the Communist Revolution would spread from Russia to Western Europe if the War continued.

    The German Empire was already on shaky feet politically BEFORE 1914…  the deprivations of the war only added to the Kaisers weakened position.


  • @crusaderiv:

    but the prospect of a few new million doughboys did help germany sign the treaty, no?
    No, Germans lost the initiative after the battles of summer 1918.
    The bad moral of german population and spanish flu call off the war.

    The Ludendorff Offensive was a gamble to win the war before fresh U.S troops arrived in numbers. So the entry of the U.S into the War did have an decisive effect. Same outcome, just a quicker end.


  • The Ludendorff Offensive was a gamble to win the war before fresh U.S troops arrived in numbers. So the entry of the U.S into the War did have an decisive effect. Same outcome, just a quicker end.
    A gamble???, german called over 50 division from the eastern front. The attack was to broke up the allies wall once and for all but they failled because german army supplies were already poor.  If the attack would have succeeded, the allies would have been in trouble.


  • If I’m not mistaken, one of the factors which slowed the momentum of the German offensive was the fact that, as the hungry German troops overran the forward Allied lines and captured their supply dumps, they couldn’t resist the temptation of greater quantities of food than they had seen in a long time.  Instead of just filling their pockets and packs with captured rations and pressing onward, they stopped and feasted.

  • Liaison TripleA '11 '10

    I think the “old men” in Germany, the leadership of the country, thought surrendering was the right thing to do.

    They saw there young, nationalistic men going off to war, getting killed, over a few inches of mud.

    They called it, because they wanted people to LIVE, instead of die for pride.  The German Surrender, was also based on Wilson’s 14 points, all but 1 of which, they never recieved in the treaty of versailles.

    Talk about taking one for the team, that’s what the germans did, for everyone’s benefit, they saw that the war was stupid, and bore a heavy cost.  For this good deed, tey only recieved ridicule from within and without…

    For what it’s worth, they should have just hung on, letting all those people die would have done them better off in the long run, so it would seem?


  • The Ludendorff Offensive was a gamble to win the war before fresh U.S troops arrived in numbers. So the entry of the U.S into the War did have an decisive effect. Same outcome, just a quicker end.
    A gamble?Huh?, german called over 50 division from the eastern front. The attack was to broke up the allies wall once and for all but they failled because german army supplies were already poor.  If the attack would have succeeded, the allies would have been in trouble.

    yes it was a gamble, Germany didn’t have any other reserves so if it lost it could not sustain its current battle-lines. It gambled that these men could take paris before too many Americans proved an impossible wall of force for Germany to deal with. Those east front divisions were just put into a meat grinder sprinkled with a few Stosstrupen units that had specialized trench raiding skills.


  • @CWO:

    If I’m not mistaken, one of the factors which slowed the momentum of the German offensive was the fact that, as the hungry German troops overran the forward Allied lines and captured their supply dumps, they couldn’t resist the temptation of greater quantities of food than they had seen in a long time.  Instead of just filling their pockets and packs with captured rations and pressing onward, they stopped and feasted.

    Another huge factor for the slow German advance in the Ludendorff Offensive was that much of the German push crossed the old Somme battlefields of 1916. The area was a nightmare for lightning operations, vast forest of tree stumps, empty trench systems, ruins upon ruins of German and British war efforts from two years before.


  • so, before 1918 and its offensives then?


  • Let’s keep this World War One topics alive, World War One is my favorite war.

  • '10

    We also have to remember that Germany’s Allies were crumbling…  even before the 1918 offensive in the west.

    The Ottomans were losing ground in the Middle east, at the Austo-Hungarian Empire was falling apart from the inside.


  • bulgaria, ottoman empire and austria-hungary were already out of the war at start 1918 i thought
    or atleast played no more vital role.
    i always wondered why the germans didn’t launch the biggest navy assault at the same moment. if either of them was to fail, they’d have lost the war anyway.
    of course, it’s good that such butchering has been prevented, but it would have given the british quite headaches, as the supplies to france was already hard to maintain.


  • @Frontovik:

    bulgaria, ottoman empire and austria-hungary were already out of the war at start 1918 i thought
    or atleast played no more vital role.
    i always wondered why the germans didn’t launch the biggest navy assault at the same moment. if either of them was to fail, they’d have lost the war anyway.
    of course, it’s good that such butchering has been prevented, but it would have given the british quite headaches, as the supplies to france was already hard to maintain.

    The Kaiser’s love for his navy hurt Germany in WWI. Germany had the best armor-cruisers at the time: great for commerce raiding. Germany should have tried to break out more warships into the Atlantic.


  • @Frontovik:

    bulgaria, ottoman empire and austria-hungary were already out of the war at start 1918 i thought
    or atleast played no more vital role.
    i always wondered why the germans didn’t launch the biggest navy assault at the same moment. if either of them was to fail, they’d have lost the war anyway.
    of course, it’s good that such butchering has been prevented, but it would have given the british quite headaches, as the supplies to france was already hard to maintain.

    The best shot that Germany got at fighting a decisive naval action against Britain was at the Battle of Jutland in 1916.  The battle was a tactical victory for Germany in terms of tonnage sunk, but it was a strategic defeat: the High Seas Fleet had to withdraw twice in the face of Britain’s greater numbers.  Germany never again tried to challenge the British Grand Fleet.  By 1918, the High Seas Fleet was in a sorry state compared to 1916, due to the losses suffered at Jutland combined with two years of inactivity.  In late 1918, the German naval command planned to send out the High Seas Fleet on what its sailors correctly interpreted to be a futile, suicidal gesture meant to salvage the Fleet’s honour.  The sailors promptly mutinied and the last sortie never took place.


  • @CWO:

    @Frontovik:

    bulgaria, ottoman empire and austria-hungary were already out of the war at start 1918 i thought
    or atleast played no more vital role.
    i always wondered why the germans didn’t launch the biggest navy assault at the same moment. if either of them was to fail, they’d have lost the war anyway.
    of course, it’s good that such butchering has been prevented, but it would have given the british quite headaches, as the supplies to france was already hard to maintain.

    The best shot that Germany got at fighting a decisive naval action against Britain was at the Battle of Jutland in 1916.  The battle was a tactical victory for Germany in terms of tonnage sunk, but it was a strategic defeat: the High Seas Fleet had to withdraw twice in the face of Britain’s greater numbers.  Germany never again tried to challenge the British Grand Fleet.  By 1918, the High Seas Fleet was in a sorry state compared to 1916, due to the losses suffered at Jutland combined with two years of inactivity.  In late 1918, the German naval command planned to send out the High Seas Fleet on what its sailors correctly interpreted to be a futile, suicidal gesture meant to salvage the Fleet’s honour.  The sailors promptly mutinied and the last sortie never took place.

    that was after the ludendorff offensive.
    but point taken ^^


  • Favorite WWI commander?
    Favorite WWI weapon?
    Favorite WWI battle?


  • My favorite ww1 commander is: hmmm I’d say aurthur currie.
    My favorite ww1 weapon is: lee enfield smle
    My favorite ww1 battle is: I’m hopping you mean most interesting, for me that would be first battle of Ypres (this was the one with first every gas attack right?)


  • @i:

    My favorite ww1 commander is: hmmm I’d say aurthur currie.
    My favorite ww1 weapon is: lee enfield smle
    My favorite ww1 battle is: I’m hopping you mean most interesting, for me that would be first battle of Ypres (this was the one with first every gas attack right?)

    Ieper is indeed the place where germans used it the first time (on the western front)
    also the start of a bombartment that would last for 4 years and bombs are still found by the thousands
    gotta love our clay :P

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