@genken Might be cool to have a house rule that 1) 1, 2 or 3 the ship is damaged in a way that it moves at half but attacks full or 2) 4, 5, or 6 it is damaged in a what that it moves 2 spaces but attacks with a hit on 1 or 2 vs 4 normally.
AAG40 FAQ
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@Cmdr:
It’s a hypothetical question, I highly doubt it will ever come into play. I was just curious to see if the scramble rules allowed for 3 aircraft per battle or 3 aircraft per airbase.
It’s 3 per airbase per turn. I should have corrected my response saying round, which is incorrect, as facilities “reset” each round for repair, scrambling, etc.
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Hey Jenn, in that truncated 1940 game we last played, you were building airbases along the Atlantic with Germany like there was no tomorrow. Surely you knew that having an airbase (I think you had them on) Holland and Normandy allows you to scramble up to 6 fighters to Z110? I mean, I think you had 2 or 3 on each territory, so it looked like you knew exactly how that rule works.
Speaking of which, I’m sorry about that game - it was totally my fault it got stuck after a couple rounds. I got stalled out on the American turn (the Allied 4-play) and my work schedule got all unpredictable there….
(And I know it’s my turn for R1 - I’ll see if I can get that in tonight here)
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Already said it was no problem!
And yes, I knew each sea zone could only have 3 fighters per airbase bordering the sea zone, I was just wondering on if the airbases bordered more than one sea zone if it could scramble up to three fighters per sea zone it bordered.
Hypothetically (because such a place does not exist) say there is an island with 5 sea zones touching it and an airbase. What I wanted to know is if I could station 15 fighters there and have 3 available to scramble into each and every sea zone to defend.
Oh, and if you think W. France/Holland was bad, you shoulda seen the game with an airbase in W. Germany, Denmark and Norway! That was fun!
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@Cmdr:
And yes, I knew each sea zone could only have 3 fighters per airbase bordering the sea zone, I was just wondering on if the airbases bordered more than one sea zone if it could scramble up to three fighters per sea zone it bordered.
Hypothetically (because such a place does not exist) say there is an island with 5 sea zones touching it and an airbase. What I wanted to know is if I could station 15 fighters there and have 3 available to scramble into each and every sea zone to defend.
NOTE: The following applies to Alpha 2 only, not OOB.
You probably know this now, but no you can’t scramble 15 fighters from a single airbase. It’s limit 3 per airbase (even if different nationalities), but there is no limit per sea zone.
So…… Scotland borders 3 sea zones but can only scramble a total of 3 fighters, although could potentially scramble 1 fighter to each of the 3 sea zones if attacked in all 3 or from all 3 at once. This would be possible even if the 3 zones each had allied ships under attack, and none of them belonged to the UK.
Z99 (and Z97) are each bordered by 5 named territories, so if you had an airbase in each and 3 fighters at each one, you could scramble 15 fighters to Z99 if there was a sea battle. But IIRC you could only scramble 3 from one territory there if only one was being amphibiously assaulted and there was no sea battle. But if you have a destroyer there you could scramble all 15. (These extra examples are not directed at you, Jenn, they’re meant for everyone’s benefit)
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Yea, figured, but I wanted to make absolute certain. Just because I read the rules one way does not mean that’s how they were intended…ahem, Bridging anyone? Yea? Remember that one! I still remember armies of infantry walking from England to W. Europe because one transport was there to bridge them across. =p Complete violation of the rules, but there was no internet back then, so…
I did know about the 3000 fighters joining a naval battle if you had 1000 air bases bordering that specific sea zone. (that’s a DID, not a DID NOT, just to make sure ya all saw that and read that correctly.)
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Do the rules specify if you cannot have more than 1 NB or AB in a territory or is it implied.
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Do the rules specify if you cannot have more than 1 NB or AB in a territory or is it implied.
Page 25 of the Europe book does not explicitely state that you cannot have more than one airbase or naval base, and when you think about airbases and naval bases, you think “yea, they are pretty small, why can’t I have more than one in a territory” but then, so are factories.
Page 24 SPECIFICALLY STATES that you can only have one industrial complex (minor or major) in a territory.
So, good question! Krieg, there appears to be ambiguity in the rules. It seems more likely that you may only have one of each base in any specific territory or island, but it is not explicitely stated.
(See Gamerman, I can open the rule book. Now, don’t have a heart attack! grin)
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I am in shock, Jenn.
Definitive, you are correct that the rules are silent on the matter.
Kreighund, however, has already weighed in on the question on this thread some time ago, and he said absolutely not, you can never build more than one of the same type of facility on a territory. So you can’t have more than 1 airbase, naval base, or industrial complex on a territory per Krieghund. This is an item that should be added to the official FAQ/errata because study of the rulebook alone suggests it is allowed because it is not expressly prohibited by the rulebook. -
I might add, it should be explicitely written into the Alpha +3 rules!
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@Cmdr:
I might add, it should be explicitely written into the Alpha +3 rules!
It doesn’t need to be as the Alpha rules don’t imply that building a second airbase would be beneficial at all:
"Scrambling is a special action that can take place at the beginning of this phase (Phase 3: Conduct Combat (Powers at War Only), and it must be completed before any combat occurs. A quick reaction team of no more than 3 defending fighters and/or tactical bombers (strategic bombers can’t scramble) located on islands and coastal territories that have operative air bases can be scrambled to defend against attacks in the adjacent sea zones. Scrambled fighters and tactical bombers are defending, so refer to their defense values and abilities when resolving combat. They can’t participate in any other battles during that turn, including a battle on the island or territory from which they were scrambled…
…In situations where a sea zone is served by more than one airbase, Korea and Japan into sea zone 6 for example, each of the territories (or both in this case) can scramble up to 3 fighters and/or tactical bombers. In situations where more than one sea zone is served by an airbase, United Kingdom into sea zones 109 and 110 for example, the territory may still only scramble up to 3 fighters and/or tactical bombers, but they may be split between the sea zones in any combination."
The limit of 3 planes is explicitly restricted by the territory (and implicitly restricted by the airbase). Even if you could build more than one, the rules EXPLICITLY state 3 planes per territory.
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Even with that info, it still needs to be explicitly stated. There could exist a situation where:
I have 2 airbases in 1 territory, one is damaged and the other is not. I could scramble if this were the case.
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Even with that info, it still needs to be explicitly stated. There could exist a situation where:
I have 2 airbases in 1 territory, one is damaged and the other is not. I could scramble if this were the case.
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Only being allowed 1 AB per territory, this could never happen.Europe Rulebook, page 22: “You can’t have more than one facility of the same type per territory.”
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Definitive, you are correct that the rules are silent on the matter.
Definitive, you are NOT correct that the rules are silent on the matter (and neither was I). Good catch, kcdzim.
My MAN……
Reading the actual RULEBOOK?
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Definitive, you are correct that the rules are silent on the matter.
Definitive, you are NOT correct that the rules are silent on the matter (and neither was I). Good catch, kcdzim.
My MAN……
Reading the actual RULEBOOK?
Unthinkable. :-)I’m going to be perfectly honest: that was posted by Krieg on LHG and I posted it here as there is a mirrored conversation going on.
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Lol found it, I did read the book before I posted but did not find it. Cheers.
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I’m going to be perfectly honest: that was posted by Krieg on LHG and I posted it here as there is a mirrored conversation going on.
Awwwww…… what a letdown.
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Can britain attack a German submarine with only a cruiser and a battleship?
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Sure, but only if the German wants to fight. Since there is no dd present the defending sub has the choice to submerge or not.
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8. Strategic Bombing Raids procedure:
• Escorts fire @1, and interceptor casualties are immediately removed.
• Bombers fire @ 1 and interceptors fire @ 2. Remove bomber and interceptor casualties (escorts may be taken as casualties only after all bombers are eliminated).
• Surviving bombers are assigned a specific target (IC, airbase or naval base) if more than one type is in the territory.
• The target fires its AA defenses at the attacking aircraft - @1
• Surviving bombers attack their target, looking for the highest number possible.When bombing, each Strategic bomber rolls one die and 2 is added to each die result, giving the total number of hits the target will receive. Gray chips are placed under the target for each hit received.
Tactical bombers
Tactical Bombers can also conduct bombing raids. They are limited to attacking only naval bases and airbases, however. Other wise they follow the exact procedure as strategic bombers presented above. When bombing they roll one die. The number rolled is the number of hits the target receives. Do not add to the dice roll when bombing with tactical bombers.Damage Repairs… the removal of damage markers, is done during the controlling player’s - Phase 1: Purchase & Repair Units.
It cost 1 IPC to remove each damage marker.Major industrial complexes can only mobilize 10 units per turn minus the number of damage markers they have. For example a major IC with 6 damage markers can produce only 4 units. A major IC can only receive up to 20 damage markers, after that they are no longer assigned.
Minor industrial complexes can only mobilize 3 units per turn minus the number of damage markers they have. For example a minor IC with 2 damage markers can produce only 1 unit. A minor IC can only receive up to 6 damage markers, after that they are no longer assigned damage markers.
Naval bases provide additional range and repairs to naval units. If a naval base has 3 damage markers it can no longer provide these services. A naval base can only receive up to 6 damage markers, after that they are no longer assigned damage markers.
Airbases provide additional range and the ability to scramble. If an airbase has 3 damage markers it can no longer provide these services. An airbase can only receive up to 6 damage markers, after that they are no longer assigned damage markers. Note: Aircraft can still land in territory whose airbase is out of service.
My question is:
In Alpha +2 during a strategic bombing raid on an mIC for example, can the interceptors be allied fighters or do they have to be fighters belonging to the same power as the mIC being bombed. I know allies can scramble to defend a sea zone from a territory with an airbase. Are they are treated as defending fighters regardless. I would still like this clarified.
Cheers
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Page 16, Europe Book:
Any number of defending fighters based in a territory that is about to be strategically bombed can be committed to participate in the defense of that territory’s facilities.
So any fighters, friendly or your own, that are in the territory being attacked by a strategic bombing raid may intercept.
This is akin to the allied defense rule, where if there is an allied fighter on a carrier you are attacking, it gets to defend.
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