Tanks too expensive

[calvinhobbesliker]

@Seven_Patch:

@calvinhobbesliker:

No. 1 and 2 force you to save 1 or 2.

No what?  If you only have 1 or 2 IPC’s left then you save them if your playing by rules that allow you to save 1 or 2.

Exactly. If you have 2 ipcs, you save 2. If you have 5 ipcs, buy an inf and save 2

[Seven_Patch]

@calvinhobbesliker:

@Seven_Patch:

@calvinhobbesliker:

No. 1 and 2 force you to save 1 or 2.

No what?  If you only have 1 or 2 IPC’s left then you save them if your playing by rules that allow you to save 1 or 2.

Exactly. If you have 2 ipcs, you save 2. If you have 5 ipcs, buy an inf and save 2

Okay  :-D  My point is that if something cost 5 then in theory you would never need to save 1 or 2 IPC.  Of course circumstances usually require players to buy specific units in which you would end up saving 1 or 2 IPC’s.

[Seven_Patch]

I just had an Idea, what if you could spend 1 IPC to upgrade an Infantry unit to Mech Infantry?

The rule would be that the Infantry can not have moved during combat or non combat and is located on a territory with a IC.

[WILD BILL]

@Seven_Patch:

I just had an Idea, what if you could spend 1 IPC to upgrade an Infantry unit to Mech Infantry?

The rule would be that the Infantry can not have moved during combat or non combat and is located on a territory with a IC.

Not a bad idea, but still just a house rule. Maybe you can get Larry to rubber stamp it in his optional rules for LH endorsement. I would come up w/some thing better then I have a few bucks left over and want to spend it though.

[ZehKaiser]

You could always buy a research token… Those are 5 right?

[Dylan the Canadian]

To be honest I think tanks should be 7.

Example:
Infantry                has 1 for attack                has 2 for defense                                                          =3 (RWJ)
Mech Infantry        has 1 for attack                has 2 for defense              has 1 extra movement            =4
Artillery                has 2 for attack                has 2 for defense                                                        =4
Tank                    has 3 for attack                has 3 for defense                has 1 extra movement            =7

[The Admirable Admiral]

I prefer a 5 ipc tank but I can see the reasoning of 6 since we now have mech infantry. But a 7 ipc tank would be way too much at that point you should just get a man and an art. since they would both hit at a 2 and can absorb two hits as opposed to the tank that hits on a 3 and can only absorb 1 hit. I am okay with 6 ipc tank.

[ZehKaiser]

I can see Dylan’s point on the cost though. Also makes 6 that much more justified in my eyes. 5 Was way too cheap, remember when they had 2 defense!? And they were still a bargain back then. Make them Defense 2 and I can get behind 5 IPC’s again.

[Dylan the Canadian]

@ZehKaiser:

I can see Dylan’s point on the cost though. Also makes 6 that much more justified in my eyes. 5 Was way too cheap, remember when they had 2 defense!? And they were still a bargain back then. Make them Defense 2 and I can get behind 5 IPC’s again.

I don’t want them to be 2 again, you need a strong land unit on both offensive and defense, that you can rely on.

[Seven_Patch]

In the end I totally agree that tanks should be 6 IPC.

[Imperious Leader]

Tanks are much better at 6, so Germany does not try that backward “all tanks” buy in order to glitch the game.

The bean counters have been defeated finally and the glitch is gone.

[WILD BILL]

Hey, that’s the smartest thing you’ve said all day IL.

[Seven_Patch]

@WILD:

Hey, that’s the smartest thing you’ve said all day IL.

I understood everything except “bean counters” and “glitch”.

[pusfilledwart]

@calvinhobbesliker:

@pusfilledwart:

it is strange…nothing costs 5 IPCs

Nothing costs 1, 2, 9, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, or 19 ipcs either.

or 21, 22, 3,001, 15,390, 4300, 113, 1/2….

[Dylan the Canadian]

@Imperious:

Tanks are much better at 6, so Germany does not try that backward “all tanks” buy in order to glitch the game.

The bean counters have been defeated finally and the glitch is gone.

How can you glitch Axis and Allies if your following the rules.

[Imperious Leader]

BY doing things like buying only tanks for Germany because the number crunchers say they are a better buy. I don’t necessarily believe this, but against Russia thats what they do.

[Dylan the Canadian]

@Imperious:

BY doing things like buying only tanks for Germany because the number crunchers say they are a better buy. I don’t necessarily believe this, but against Russia thats what they do.

In Spring 42 I only bought Infantry once for Germany

Turn 1 40 IPCS: 13 Infantry
Turn 2 43 IPCS: 14 Infantry
etc.

Russia were scared.

[calvinhobbesliker]

@Dylan:

@Imperious:

BY doing things like buying only tanks for Germany because the number crunchers say they are a better buy. I don’t necessarily believe this, but against Russia thats what they do.

In Spring 42 I only bought Infantry once for Germany

Turn 1 40 IPCS: 13 Infantry
Turn 2 43 IPCS: 14 Infantry
etc.

Russia were scared.

Why? Inf are not really threatening. They should be frustrated that you have good defense, though.

[Dylan the Canadian]

@calvinhobbesliker:

@Dylan:

@Imperious:

BY doing things like buying only tanks for Germany because the number crunchers say they are a better buy. I don’t necessarily believe this, but against Russia thats what they do.

In Spring 42 I only bought Infantry once for Germany

Turn 1 40 IPCS: 13 Infantry
Turn 2 43 IPCS: 14 Infantry
etc.

Russia were scared.

Why? Inf are not really threatening. They should be frustrated that you have good defense, though.

I was bigger then them!

[mojo33]

I have thought for many years that tanks should cost 6, I for one am very glad to see it happen.  I would like to see a light tank though, move 2, 2-2 or 3-2 or 2-3.  I need to play around with the idea more but I think it would be a great addition at 5 points.