Believe it or not, the success of the Germans in France had nothing to do with Hitler or the General staff, but much more to do with the boldness and genius of German divisional commanders, as has ever been the case in German military history. Had Heinz Guiderian(sp?) not disobeyed direct orders to halt his advance at the Senne river in France and wait for the infantry, the battle of France could have been a very different story.
Either way, the game begins after this fact, and after the BEF had been driven from mainland Europe. I expect France’s central province to fall about 90% of the time to a concentrated German attack on G1. After that, it will be mostly a mopping up campagin to control the rest of mainland France. If the Germans choose to venture elsewhere and not concentrate on this province I give them a 60 to 50% chance of success. However, after that, its up to the individual players as to what to do with France. There is no Vichy rule and this game dosent go in depth enough to represent a peoples will to fight and resist, or lack there as the case may be. This is not a bad thing, as I feel like it would just bog the game down. I still strongly recommend playing France like China after the fall of mainland France, with nothing but inf. builds.
If the French coastal territory survives(the Vichy territory also should, since Italy never actually captured it), France caan transport its units to the UK, or perhaps Norway, Libya, or Italy
Italy plays before France, so in this game we are going to have a “Italian Vichy France” :mrgreen:
Italy plays before France, so in this game we are going to have a “Italian Vichy France” :mrgreen:
Well, Italy invaded and was owned by France, so they shouldn’t be able to take Vichy on the first turn(but looking at P40, they’ll probably be able to take Egypt, Gibraltar, and Malta on their first turn
Italy might have to take Vichy if Germany doesnt take Brittany. Otherwise France might successfuly counterattack Paris.
Dont forget the official rule from Larry……“The first time Paris is liberated, place 4 French Infantry in that terriory”
Concievably…if Brittany and Vichy have enough French units to launch a valid attack on Paris, then the Axis has to elimnate them G1 and I1 respectively.
The risk for France is worth the reward…Even in a suicidal attack
Italy might have to take Vichy if Germany doesnt take Brittany. Otherwise France might successfuly counterattack Paris.
Dont forget the official rule from Larry……“The first time Paris is liberated, place 4 French Infantry in that terriory”
Concievably…if Brittany and Vichy have enough French units to launch a valid attack on Paris, then the Axis has to elimnate them G1 and I1 respectively.
The risk for France is worth the reward…Even in a suicidal attack
Vichy will probably have 1 inf, while Italy has 8 inf, 5 tanks, 3 fighters, and 5 transports with which it captures Vichy, Egypt, Gibraltar, and Malta on the 1st turn. Germany will have 13 infantry, 10 tanks, 3 bombers, and 10 fighters in addition to 4 transports, 2 BB’s, 1 CV, and 20 SS.
Italy might have to take Vichy if Germany doesnt take Brittany. Otherwise France might successfuly counterattack Paris.
Dont forget the official rule from Larry……“The first time Paris is liberated, place 4 French Infantry in that terriory”
Concievably…if Brittany and Vichy have enough French units to launch a valid attack on Paris, then the Axis has to elimnate them G1 and I1 respectively.
The risk for France is worth the reward…Even in a suicidal attack
Vichy will probably have 1 inf, while Italy has 8 inf, 5 tanks, 3 fighters, and 5 transports with which it captures Vichy, Egypt, Gibraltar, and Malta on the 1st turn. Germany will have 13 infantry, 10 tanks, 3 bombers, and 10 fighters in addition to 4 transports, 2 BB’s, 1 CV, and 20 SS.
Where did you get these figures? 5 transports for Italy? 20 subs for Germany? Taking out Egypt, Gibraltar, and Malta all in the first turn? If that’s the case the Allies are screwed, but I don’t remember seeing that anywhere… I think your numbers are off.
@SAS:
Italy might have to take Vichy if Germany doesnt take Brittany. Otherwise France might successfuly counterattack Paris.
Dont forget the official rule from Larry……“The first time Paris is liberated, place 4 French Infantry in that terriory”
Concievably…if Brittany and Vichy have enough French units to launch a valid attack on Paris, then the Axis has to elimnate them G1 and I1 respectively.
The risk for France is worth the reward…Even in a suicidal attack
Vichy will probably have 1 inf, while Italy has 8 inf, 5 tanks, 3 fighters, and 5 transports with which it captures Vichy, Egypt, Gibraltar, and Malta on the 1st turn. Germany will have 13 infantry, 10 tanks, 3 bombers, and 10 fighters in addition to 4 transports, 2 BB’s, 1 CV, and 20 SS.
Where did you get these figures? 5 transports for Italy? 20 subs for Germany? Taking out Egypt, Gibraltar, and Malta all in the first turn? The Allies are screwed…
20 subs the british navy won’t exist after G1.
@SAS:
Italy might have to take Vichy if Germany doesnt take Brittany. Otherwise France might successfuly counterattack Paris.
Dont forget the official rule from Larry……“The first time Paris is liberated, place 4 French Infantry in that terriory”
Concievably…if Brittany and Vichy have enough French units to launch a valid attack on Paris, then the Axis has to elimnate them G1 and I1 respectively.
The risk for France is worth the reward…Even in a suicidal attack
Vichy will probably have 1 inf, while Italy has 8 inf, 5 tanks, 3 fighters, and 5 transports with which it captures Vichy, Egypt, Gibraltar, and Malta on the 1st turn. Germany will have 13 infantry, 10 tanks, 3 bombers, and 10 fighters in addition to 4 transports, 2 BB’s, 1 CV, and 20 SS.
Where did you get these figures? 5 transports for Italy? 20 subs for Germany? Taking out Egypt, Gibraltar, and Malta all in the first turn? If that’s the case the Allies are screwed, but I don’t remember seeing that anywhere… I think your numbers are off.
Well, if P40 is anything to go by, my numbers can’t be far off. Japan can capture Celebes, Yunan, Hong Kong, and destroy all allied ships except ones at the edge of the board.
Note: I am joking
@UN:
Note: I am joking
Note: British humor=/=Everyone else’s humor :-D
Silly British, jokes are for kids…
Note: Jokes are cool, but written sarcasm is hard to interpret… At least without facial expressions. But if it’s a joke then: :lol:
@UN:
Note: I am joking
Note: British humor=/=Everyone else’s humor :-D
I’m not British; I’m an Indian living in the US.
@SAS:
@UN:
Note: I am joking
Note: British humor=/=Everyone else’s humor :-D
Silly British, jokes are for kids…
Note: Jokes are cool, but written sarcasm is hard to interpret… At least without facial expressions. But if it’s a joke then: :lol:
It’s easy if the claim is really stupid, like IL saying that Portugal was the strongest country.
@UN:
Note: I am joking
Note: British humor=/=Everyone else’s humor :-D
I’m not British; I’m an Indian living in the US.
Well, you could have fooled me with your avatar that basically screams “Rule Britannia”!
My avatar/tagline doesn’t say anything about the empire except that it was the largest in history: a true statement.
Of course it is a joke. What else?
These new kids take everything WAY seriously
Italy might have to take Vichy if Germany doesnt take Brittany. Otherwise France might successfuly counterattack Paris.
Dont forget the official rule from Larry……“The first time Paris is liberated, place 4 French Infantry in that terriory”
Concievably…if Brittany and Vichy have enough French units to launch a valid attack on Paris, then the Axis has to elimnate them G1 and I1 respectively.
The risk for France is worth the reward…Even in a suicidal attack
Back on topic
That’s a good point Oz, when you consider that Germany will be attacking the Paris tt w/many planes that won’t be able to stay in Paris to defend (leaving only what could be a depleted ground force). I still think that Germany will have enough forces to take both the Paris tt from W Germany, & the Brittany coast tt from the low countries, however a German player may choose to leave the Brit coast and take on other endeavors.
As far as the Vichy tt, I think Italy will have the strength to take it I1. I wonder if the axis would be better served in the right circumstances to wait for Germany to take it G2, giving Germany access to the Med if it chooses to build an IC there latter (assuming Vichy won’t have an IC). On second thought a delay could cause more headaches depending on set-up. You wouldn’t want France to have the chance to shuttle troops from Vichy to Gib, or Africa. I also wonder will the 2 coastal French tt come w/NB, I think they should, and how about AB.
france will fall G1. they fell like dominos against the german wehrmacht. they were so sure of themselves, that the germans would attack their maginot-line. suprise, they did not. i just cant undersztand why all you guys want france to play a role in this game, its bound to fall. hitler wouldnt let himself have two front on mainland europe. i will serve sauerkraut and bayer in moscow by G5.
Didn’t you read my post where I answered you about the Maginot Line? Again, the point of the Maginot Line was that the Germans would NOT attack it, instead going around it. That way, the French could choose where to fight them.
