I normally don’t do that type of stuff but because I was already a bit behind in terms of TUV I risked to bring the numbers a bit back up… but instead they skyrocketed downwards lol.
VF (Germany) vs. DoMan (Allies) | Original Europe OOB, Game 2
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Allied bid: 4 inf in Ukraine
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Is this a bug? For some reason I was able to retreat to East Poland, even though my units didn’t come from that territory (except for the German bomber) and there was a battle in East Poland this turn.
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In the Ukraine battle, that is.
Here is the save file: Bug.tsvg
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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 1
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved
Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 13 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 submarine moved from Denmark Strait Sea Zone to British Convoy 4 Sea Zone Germans take British Convoy 4 Sea Zone from British 1 submarine moved from British Convoy 4 Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Mid-Atlantic Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Halifax Sea Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Azores Sea Sea Zone to British Convoy 3 Sea Zone Germans take British Convoy 3 Sea Zone from British 1 submarine moved from British Convoy 3 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Bay of Biscay Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 2 submarines moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Barents Sea Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Norway to North Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from France to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Germany to North Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Germany to North Sea Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Denmark to Danish Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Germany to Danish Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Baltic Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to Baltic States 2 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 armour moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland 2 armour moved from Germany to East Poland 1 armour moved from Rumania to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Hungary to Bessarabia 1 armour moved from Hungary to Ukraine S.S.R. 7 infantry moved from Rumania to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 fighter moved from Poland to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 battleship and 1 destroyer moved from Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 submarine moved from Bay of Biscay Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 fighter moved from Northern Italy to Ukraine S.S.R. Combat - Germans Battle in Davis Strait Sea Zone Germans attack with 3 submarines British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the British and 1 transport owned by the British lost in Davis Strait Sea Zone Germans win with 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport Battle in Celtic Sea Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 fighter and 4 submarines British defend with 1 destroyer and 2 transports Germans roll dice for 4 submarines in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 fighter in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 transports in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the British and 2 transports owned by the British lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone Germans win with 1 fighter and 4 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 28 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 2 transports Battle in Bessarabia Germans attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry Russians defend with 1 armour and 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1,00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Bessarabia Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Bessarabia, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Bessarabia, round 4 : 2/3 hits, 0,83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Bessarabia, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Bessarabia Germans win, taking Bessarabia from Russians with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 armour and 1 infantry Battle in East Poland Germans attack with 3 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry Russians defend with 4 infantry Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 1/7 hits, 2,50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 4 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in East Poland 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in East Poland Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in East Poland, round 3 : 2/6 hits, 2,33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in East Poland, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in East Poland Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in East Poland, round 4 : 3/6 hits, 2,33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in East Poland, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in East Poland 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in East Poland Germans win, taking East Poland from Russians with 3 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Casualties for Russians: 4 infantry Battle in Ukraine S.S.R. Germans attack with 2 armour, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 7 infantry Russians defend with 1 artillery and 8 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 armour, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 7 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 5/12 hits, 3,83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 8 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 5/9 hits, 3,00 expected hits 5 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R. 5 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R. Germans roll dice for 2 armour, 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 3/7 hits, 3,00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R. 3 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R. 1 bomber owned by the Germans and 2 fighters owned by the Germans retreated 1 infantry owned by the Germans and 2 armour owned by the Germans retreated to East Poland Russians win with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 6 infantry Casualties for Russians: 8 infantry Battle in Baltic States Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry Russians defend with 3 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 1,67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Baltic States, round 3 : 3/5 hits, 1,50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0,67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry Battle in North Sea Sea Zone Germans attack with 3 fighters and 3 submarines British defend with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in North Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Germans roll dice for 3 fighters in North Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1,50 expected hits British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in North Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in North Sea Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the British, 1 transport owned by the British and 1 battleship owned by the British lost in North Sea Sea Zone Germans win with 3 fighters and 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 36 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport Battle in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport British defend with 1 destroyer Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1,17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 1,17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Battle in Gibraltar Non Combat Move - Germans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from East Poland: 2 armour and 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Rumania: 2 armour and 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Czechoslovakia to Poland 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Austria to Hungary 2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Hungary 2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Rumania 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Greece to Yugoslavia 2 armour moved from Northern Italy to Hungary 1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia 2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Algeria 1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria 2 armour moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Poland 3 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany 4 infantry moved from Eastern France to Germany 1 aaGun moved from Germany to Poland 1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Austria 2 armour moved from France to Germany 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from France to Netherlands-Belgium 1 fighter moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium 4 infantry moved from Norway to Finland 2 fighters moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Finland 1 bomber moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Germany 1 fighter moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Germany 1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Rumania 1 fighter moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Poland Place Units - Germans 13 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 42 PUs; end with 43 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Russians regular : -0,67 Germans regular : 2,50 British regular : -1,83 -
I put my retreated units in Romania, I am fairly sure it is a bug.
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I just posted this in the TripleA support thread, shouldn’t have done it here actually.
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It turns out it is actually not a bug, but a feature of the rules (thanks to Panther for pointing that out).
So in that case, I would’ve retreated from Ukraine to East Poland. Here is the corrected save file: G1 corrected.tsvg
And I will remember this possibility in the future.
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@VictoryFirst said in VF (Germany) vs. DoMan (Allies) | Original Europe OOB, Game 2:
It turns out it is actually not a bug, but a feature of the rules (thanks to Panther for pointing that out).
So in that case, I would’ve retreated from Ukraine to East Poland. Here is the corrected save file: G1 corrected.tsvg
And I will remember this possibility in the future.
Sorry for interfering:
Actually I pointed out that the old TripleA-Europe map is code-wise based on Classic.
In case you play the Europe-map and want to play by the rulebook, the Europe rules follow newer rulesets. From the Europe (1999) rulebook:
“The attacking land units may only retreat to
an adjacent friendly territory that was under the owner’s control
at the start of the turn – and from which any of the attacking
land units came. The units must all withdraw together to the
same territory.”That denies a retreat option to East Poland in this case.
So when playing Europe players must take care of this specific rule themselves. As v1 rules (Classic) differ from the Europe 1999 -rulebook.
(Reference: https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/41391/was-able-to-retreat-to-a-just-captured-territory)
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Panther is right, please use the save file below the turn summary, not the corrected one.
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@VictoryFirst I was not aware that in classic you could rig things so to allow the attack to retreat into a territory that was captured earlier in the turn. That is interesting.
Regardless, will play on with the file where Germany retreated into Romania.
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@VictoryFirst Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 artillery moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to East Poland 1 artillery moved from Belorussia to East Poland 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Moscow to East Poland 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from White Sea Sea Zone to Norwegian Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Karelia to Leningrad 1 infantry moved from Vyborg to Leningrad 1 armour and 3 infantry moved from Archangel to Russia 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Siberia to Russia 1 armour moved from Moscow to Ukraine S.S.R. 2 infantry moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 armour moved from Turkestan to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 armour and 3 infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 infantry moved from Iran to Caucasus 3 infantry moved from Turkestan to Belorussia 4 infantry moved from Moscow to Belorussia 2 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Russia to Belorussia 1 infantry moved from Belorussia to East Poland 1 infantry moved from Belorussia to East Poland Combat - Russians Battle in East Poland Russians attack with 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry Germans defend with 3 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 2.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in East Poland 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in East Poland Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 bomber and 1 fighter in East Poland, round 3 : 2/4 hits, 1.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 3 armour and 1 artillery in East Poland, round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in East Poland 1 artillery owned by the Germans and 1 armour owned by the Germans lost in East Poland Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 fighter in East Poland, round 4 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 armour in East Poland, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 2 armour owned by the Germans lost in East Poland Russians win, taking East Poland from Germans with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry Casualties for Germans: 3 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 aaGun moved from Stalingrad to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 aaGun moved from Moscow to Belorussia 1 aaGun moved from Archangel to Russia Place Units - Russians 8 infantry placed in Leningrad Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 23 PUs; end with 23 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : -0.67 Russians regular : -0.83 -
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3d6<=3: 4, 2, 6; Hits: 1
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@VictoryFirst Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - British British buy nothing; Remaining resources: 25 PUs; Combat Move - British Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Celtic Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 destroyer moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Syria to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Palestine to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Central Mediterranean Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Central Mediterranean Sea Zone to Libya British take Libya from Germans 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Libya EDIT: 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to Halifax Sea Sea Zone EDIT: British undo move 10. EDIT: British undo move 9. EDIT: British undo move 2. EDIT: British undo move 1. EDIT: 1 fighter moved from Malta to Syria 1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone Combat - British Non Combat Move - British Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode EDIT: 1 destroyer moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone EDIT: 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Celtic Sea Sea Zone EDIT: 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Celtic Sea Sea Zone EDIT: 2 fighters moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom EDIT: 1 bomber moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom Turn Complete - British British collect 16 PUs; end with 41 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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@VictoryFirst Americans attack Germans in Celtic SZ:
[dice 2d6<=3]
[dice 1d6<=4] -
2d6<=3: 1, 2; Hits: 2
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@VictoryFirst Having the Germans fire back, since I killed all 3 subs this time:
[dice 3d6<=2] -
3d6<=2: 2, 2, 6; Hits: 2
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@VictoryFirst As per the rules, the UK Destroyer has to eat the second hit and also die.
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@VictoryFirst Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 3 fighters; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 destroyer moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from United States to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to South Atlantic Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Morocco Americans take Morocco from Germans Combat - Americans Battle in Celtic Sea Sea Zone British loiter and taunt; Americans attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter Germans defend with 3 submarines Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone 2 submarines owned by the Germans lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone Germans and Americans reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines Non Combat Move - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Celtic Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Celtic Sea Sea Zone: 1 destroyer EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom Place Units - Americans 3 fighters placed in United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 41 PUs; end with 45 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 0.33 Germans regular : 0.00Ignore the dice stats provided for the US turn and calculate based on the actual dice that got rolled.
Likely going to be a very one-sided game based on these initial results but there is still a window for things to change. If you attack the USSR sub it will submerge if it somehow manages to survive the first round of combat.
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