L24 PtV Stucifer (X+10) vs Adam514 (L)

  • 2024 2023

    TripleA Turn Summary: Japanese round 1

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 3 infantry and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 
    
        Politics - Japanese
            Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Chinese from Neutrality to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied
            Japanese takes Political Action: Political Action Japanese To War With French
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With French: Changing Relationship for Japanese and French from Neutrality to War
                Japanese succeeds on action: Political Action Japanese To War With French: Changing Relationship for Chinese and French from Neutrality to Allied
            Trigger Japanese Declare War on Russia Mongolia 1: Changing Relationship for Russians and Mongolians from Strict_Neutral to War
    
        Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Hunan
                  Japanese take Hunan from Chinese
            1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Fukien to Kiangsi
                  Japanese take Kiangsi from Chinese
            2 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe
                  Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
                  Japanese take Chahar from Chinese
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Shansi
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Manchuria to Shansi
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Shansi
            2 bombers moved from Japan to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from Hokkaido to 7 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Iwo Jima to 7 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 7 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Siberia
            1 infantry moved from Korea to Amur
                  Japanese take Amur from Russians
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Siberia
    
        Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Siberia
                Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Russians defend with 1 artillery and 1 factory_minor
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Siberia, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery in Siberia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Siberia
                Japanese win, taking Siberia from Russians with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 4 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/8 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 4 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
                    1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 3 : 1/7 hits, 3.00 expected hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 3 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
                    1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Yunnan, round 4 : 3/6 hits, 2.83 expected hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 4 infantry
            Battle in Shansi
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Shansi, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 3.00 expected hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Shansi, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shansi
                Japanese win, taking Shansi from Chinese with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Trigger Japanese Destroy Factories Siberia: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Japanese in Siberia
    
        Non Combat Move - Japanese
            Trigger Siberia Has Fallen to Japanese Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Russian_Siberia_Factory_May_Be_Destroyed_Japanese attached to Japanese
            Trigger Japanese Declare War on Russia Mongolia: Russians captures territory Olgiy
            Trigger Japanese Declare War on Russia Mongolia: Russians captures territory Dzavhan
            Trigger Japanese Declare War on Russia Mongolia: Russians captures territory Tsagaan Olom
            Trigger Japanese Declare War on Russia Mongolia: Russians captures territory Central Mongolia
            Trigger Japanese Declare War on Russia Mongolia: Russians captures territory Buyant-Uhaa
            Trigger Japanese Declare War on Russia Mongolia: Russians captures territory Ulaanbaatar
            Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 1: has removed 2 infantry owned by Mongolians in Olgiy
            Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 1: has removed 1 infantry owned by Mongolians in Ulaanbaatar
            Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 1: has removed 1 infantry owned by Mongolians in Central Mongolia
            Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 1: has removed 2 infantry owned by Mongolians in Buyant-Uhaa
            Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 1: has removed 1 infantry owned by Mongolians in Tsagaan Olom
            Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 1: has removed 1 infantry owned by Mongolians in Dzavhan
            Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 2: Russians has 2 infantry placed in Olgiy
            Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 2: Russians has 1 infantry placed in Ulaanbaatar
            Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 2: Russians has 1 infantry placed in Central Mongolia
            Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 2: Russians has 2 infantry placed in Buyant-Uhaa
            Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 2: Russians has 1 infantry placed in Tsagaan Olom
            Trigger Mongolian Units Turn Russian 2: Russians has 1 infantry placed in Dzavhan
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Shansi to Jehol
            1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Amur
            1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Northern Manchuria to Amur
            2 infantry moved from Korea to Amur
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Siberia to 5 Sea Zone
            2 carriers moved from 7 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Formosa to 21 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 21 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Paulau to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 37 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 submarine moved from 20 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 7 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 7 Sea Zone to Marshall Islands
            1 artillery moved from Shantung to Jehol
            1 artillery moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
            1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
            2 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kiangsi
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Fukien to Kiangsi
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Southern Manchuria to Northern Manchuria
            1 fighter moved from Korea to Northern Manchuria
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Jehol to Southern Manchuria
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to Northern Manchuria
            1 infantry moved from Okinawa to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 5 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 5 Sea Zone to Amur
            1 aaGun, 2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Japan to Kyushu
            2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            1 fighter moved from Formosa to Kwangsi
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 34 Sea Zone to Marshall Islands
            1 battleship and 1 destroyer moved from 20 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 21 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone
                  Russians take Olgiy from Mongolians
                  Russians take Dzavhan from Mongolians
                  Russians take Tsagaan Olom from Mongolians
                  Russians take Central Mongolia from Mongolians
                  Russians take Buyant-Uhaa from Mongolians
                  Russians take Ulaanbaatar from Mongolians
    
        Place Units - Japanese
            3 infantry placed in Japan
            3 transports placed in 7 Sea Zone
            Trigger Japanese Declare War on Russia Mongolia 2: Changing Relationship for Russians and Mongolians from War to Allied
    
        Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs
            Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 46 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Chinese regular : -1.33
    Japanese regular : -3.00
    Russians regular : -0.33
    

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  • '19 '17

    TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 1

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Americans
    
        Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Davao to Wake Island
            1 cruiser moved from 11 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 11 Sea Zone to 32 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 27 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 27 Sea Zone
            1 marine moved from Western United States to 11 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 carrier and 1 marine moved from 11 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
            1 marine moved from 27 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 11 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 11 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 27 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 transport moved from 27 Sea Zone to 11 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 11 Sea Zone to 27 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 27 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands
            1 bomber moved from Central United States to Western United States
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 104 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 cruiser, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 104 Sea Zone to 29 Sea Zone
            2 aaGuns moved from Eastern United States to Central United States
    
        Place Units - Americans
            2 carriers and 1 submarine placed in 11 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 104 Sea Zone
    
        Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 53 PUs; end with 54 PUs
    
        Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter and 6 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
    
        Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Yunnan
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 6 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 6 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
                Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Tsinghai
            2 infantry moved from Hopei to Szechwan
            1 infantry moved from Eastern Sinkiang to Tsinghai
            3 infantry moved from Kansu to Tsinghai
            2 infantry moved from Inner Mongolia to Tsinghai
    
        Place Units - Chinese
            4 infantry placed in Yunnan
    
        Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 11 PUs; end with 11 PUs
            Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 14 PUs
    
        Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 airfield, 1 fighter and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 1 fighter and 1 marine; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - British
            1 destroyer and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 100 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Malta to 98 Sea Zone
    
        Combat - British
            Battle in 98 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 98 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 98 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Italians and 1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 98 Sea Zone
                British win with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
    
        Non Combat Move - British
            1 transport moved from 100 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Malta to 98 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Algeria
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Quebec to 109 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 destroyer moved from 112 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            1 carrier and 1 cruiser moved from 100 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 93 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 98 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 94 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Scotland to Gibraltar
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar
            1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 destroyer moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 114 Sea Zone to 107 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ontario to Quebec
            1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Western India to Baluchistan
            1 transport moved from 40 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Malaya to 38 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 38 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Sumatra
                  UK_Pacific take Sumatra from Dutch
            1 battleship moved from 132 Sea Zone to 40 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Eastern India to Tanganyika Territory
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern India to Tanganyika Territory
            3 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Eastern India to Burma
            1 fighter moved from Burma to Eastern India
            1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
    
        Place Units - British
            1 airfield placed in Gibraltar
            1 fighter and 1 infantry placed in United Kingdom
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 73 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 83 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Union of South Africa: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Rhodesia: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
    
        Turn Complete - British
            British collect 28 PUs; end with 28 PUs
            Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 31 PUs
            Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 34 PUs
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 37 PUs
    
        Place Units - UK_Pacific
            1 fighter and 1 marine placed in Eastern India
    
        Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 20 PUs; end with 22 PUs
            Some Units in Eastern India change ownership: 1 fighter and 1 marine
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Chinese regular : 0.50
    Italians regular : -0.67
    Japanese regular : 0.33
    British regular : -1.00
    

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  • 2024 2023

    TripleA Move Summary: Italians round 1

    TripleA Move Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Italians
            1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            1 armour moved from Albania to Yugoslavia
            1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 94 Sea Zone
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 99 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Algeria
            1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Algeria
            1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
                  Italians take Anglo-Egyptian Sudan from British
            1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
                  Italians take Kenya from British
    

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  • 2024 2023

    @Adam514 Scramble options

  • '19 '17

    Max scramble to sz94.

  • 2024 2023

    I did amphib battle first and lost 1 inf, my fighters dodged the AAA (for now…)

    I’m putting on edit mode in case the sub hits, so you can properly assign all casualties since you have a DD

  • 2024 2023

    Outstanding performance by the Italians, 4 hits round 1. (No sub hits)

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    and will post save file.

  • 2024 2023

    TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 1

    TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: WW2 Path to Victory

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Italians
            1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            1 armour moved from Albania to Yugoslavia
            1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 94 Sea Zone
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 99 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Algeria
            1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Algeria
            1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
                  Italians take Anglo-Egyptian Sudan from British
            1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
                  Italians take Kenya from British
    
        Combat - Italians
            British scrambles 3 units out of Gibraltar to defend against the attack in 94 Sea Zone
            Battle in Algeria
                Italians attack with 2 artilleries, 2 fighters and 2 infantry
                British defend with 1 aaGun and 1 infantry; French defend with 1 infantry
                    British roll AA dice in Algeria : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    Italians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Algeria, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                    French roll dice for 1 aaGun and 2 infantry in Algeria, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 aaGun owned by the British lost in Algeria
                    Italians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Algeria, round 3 : 2/6 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                    French roll dice for 2 infantry in Algeria, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Algeria
                    1 infantry owned by the French and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Algeria
                Italians win, taking Algeria from French with 2 artilleries, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
            Battle in Yugoslavia
                Italians attack with 2 armour and 2 infantry
                Neutral_Allies defend with 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 2 armour and 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Yugoslavia
                Italians win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 2 armour and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 1 infantry
                Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Battle in 94 Sea Zone
                EDIT: Italians attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                EDIT: British defend with 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
                    EDIT: 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    EDIT: 4/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    French regular : -0.33
    Italians regular : -1.00
    British AA : -0.33
    Neutral_Allies regular : -0.33
    EDIT: : 1.17
    

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  • '19 '17

    Max defense, lose naval before air of same combat.

  • 2024 2023

    TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 1

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Italians
            1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            1 armour moved from Albania to Yugoslavia
            1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 94 Sea Zone
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 99 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Algeria
            1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Algeria
            1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
                  Italians take Anglo-Egyptian Sudan from British
            1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
                  Italians take Kenya from British
    
        Combat - Italians
            British scrambles 3 units out of Gibraltar to defend against the attack in 94 Sea Zone
            Battle in Algeria
                Italians attack with 2 artilleries, 2 fighters and 2 infantry
                British defend with 1 aaGun and 1 infantry; French defend with 1 infantry
                    British roll AA dice in Algeria : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    Italians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Algeria, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                    French roll dice for 1 aaGun and 2 infantry in Algeria, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 aaGun owned by the British lost in Algeria
                    Italians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Algeria, round 3 : 2/6 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                    French roll dice for 2 infantry in Algeria, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Algeria
                    1 infantry owned by the French and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Algeria
                Italians win, taking Algeria from French with 2 artilleries, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
            Battle in Yugoslavia
                Italians attack with 2 armour and 2 infantry
                Neutral_Allies defend with 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 2 armour and 2 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                    Neutral_Allies roll dice for 1 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allies lost in Yugoslavia
                Italians win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 2 armour and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 1 infantry
                Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Battle in 94 Sea Zone
                EDIT: Italians attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                EDIT: British defend with 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 4 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
                    EDIT: 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    EDIT: 4/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                EDIT: Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the British
                    EDIT: 3/9 hits, 4.67 expected hits
                EDIT: Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Italians
                EDIT: 1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 94 Sea Zone
                EDIT: 1 destroyer owned by the British, 1 cruiser owned by the British and 1 carrier owned by the British lost in 94 Sea Zone
                EDIT: 1 bomber owned by the Italians retreated
                EDIT: 2 cruisers owned by the Italians, 1 submarine owned by the Italians and 1 battleship owned by the Italians retreated to 96 Sea Zone
                EDIT: British win
                EDIT: Battle casualty summary: Battle score (TUV change) for attacker is 27
            EDIT: Recording Battle Statistics
            EDIT: Moving scrambled unit from 94 Sea Zone  back to originating territory: Gibraltar
            EDIT: Moving scrambled unit from 94 Sea Zone  back to originating territory: Gibraltar
            EDIT: Moving scrambled unit from 94 Sea Zone  back to originating territory: Gibraltar
                EDIT: 2 fighters owned by the British forced to land in Gibraltar
    
        Non Combat Move - Italians
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from 96 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 bomber moved from 94 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            2 fighters moved from Algeria to Libya
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Libya
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk
            2 infantry moved from Albania to Bulgaria
            2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Kenya
    
        Place Units - Italians
            1 fighter placed in Southern Italy
    
        Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 74 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6
            Italians collect 15 PUs; end with 15 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    French regular : -0.33
    Italians regular : -1.00
    British AA : -0.33
    Neutral_Allies regular : -0.33
    EDIT: : -0.50
    

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  • '19 '17

    TripleA Turn Summary: French round 1

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

    Game History

    Round: 1
    
        Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - ANZAC
    
        Combat - ANZAC
    
        Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to 64 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 64 Sea Zone to 59 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 59 Sea Zone to Java
                  ANZAC take Java from Dutch
            1 destroyer moved from 64 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 65 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Queensland to Sumatra
            2 fighters moved from New Zealand to Queensland
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from New South Wales to Queensland
    
        Place Units - ANZAC
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from Malaya: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to Shan State: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 submarine placed in 64 Sea Zone
    
        Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 13 PUs; end with 17 PUs
    
        Politics - French
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 cruiser placed in 95 Sea Zone
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Tunisia
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 destroyer placed in 95 Sea Zone
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Southern France
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 artillery placed in Southern France
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Morocco
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in Syria
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Place: Neutral_Axis has 1 infantry placed in French West Africa
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Tunisia
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French West Africa
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Central Africa 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Central Africa 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Central Africa 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French Central Africa
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Algeria 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Syria
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Morocco
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Cruiser Remove: has removed 1 cruiser owned by French in 95 Sea Zone
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Tunisia 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Tunisia
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Destroyer Remove: has removed 1 destroyer owned by French in 95 Sea Zone
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Southern France
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3 Artillery Remove: has removed 1 artillery owned by French in Southern France
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Morocco 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Morocco
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Madagascar 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Madagascar 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Madagascar 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French Madagascar
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3 Infantry Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Syria 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in Syria
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France Southern France 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory Southern France
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Indo China 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Indo China 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Indo China 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French Indo China
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Guiana 2 activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Guiana 3
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French Guiana 3: Neutral_Axis captures territory French Guiana
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Place activates a trigger called: Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Remove
            Trigger Axis Conquer All France French West Africa 3 Infantry Remove: has removed 1 infantry owned by French in French West Africa
    
        Combat Move - French
    
        Non Combat Move - French
            1 destroyer moved from 74 Sea Zone to 83 Sea Zone
    
        Turn Complete - French
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Savegame

  • 2024 2023

    TripleA Move Summary: Germans round 2

    TripleA Move Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

    Game History

    Round: 2
    
        Research Technology - Germans
    
        Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 artillery, 2 carriers, 1 destroyer, 4 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
            Trigger Germans 6 Atlantic Wall Established Switch: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_Germans_6_Atlantic_Wall_Possible_Switch attached to Germans
    
        Politics - Germans
            Trigger Vichy France Has Occurred: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_French_Territory_May_Turn_Vichy_Switch attached to French
    
        Combat Move - Germans
            1 unit repaired.
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 115 Sea Zone to 107 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 107 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 98 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 98 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Northern Italy to 94 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Western Germany to 94 Sea Zone
    

    Savegame

  • 2024 2023

    More scramble options–

  • 2024 2023

    Since I’ve got you as a captive audience I’ve got a nitpicky question…

    From Game Notes:

    With the exception of Southern France (see discussion of “Zone Libre” below), Vichy French territory operates the same way as other Pro-Axis Neutral territory. An Axis player may capture Vichy French territory and commandeer its forces by moving a land unit into the territory during the non-combat phase of his turn. Fly-over restrictions applicable to other Neutral territories do not apply to Vichy French territory.

    1. This means I can’t land air units in Southern France, or any Vichy territory for that matter, the same game turn I occupy it.

    2. This is the rule that applies to other Pro-X/L territories like Yugo or Greece. Am I correct here?

    3. And there is an exception if they have been previously attacked if I remember right?

    For example, if you attacked 99 with your fleet and then moved a transport in during NCM to occupy Yugoslavia, you could land aircraft from the 99 attack that still had movement, in Yugoslavia. Because Germany had previously attacked it.

    Thanks!

  • '19 '17

    @Stucifer said in L24 PtV Stucifer (X+10) vs Adam514 (L):

    Since I’ve got you as a captive audience I’ve got a nitpicky question…

    From Game Notes:

    With the exception of Southern France (see discussion of “Zone Libre” below), Vichy French territory operates the same way as other Pro-Axis Neutral territory. An Axis player may capture Vichy French territory and commandeer its forces by moving a land unit into the territory during the non-combat phase of his turn. Fly-over restrictions applicable to other Neutral territories do not apply to Vichy French territory.

    1. This means I can’t land air units in Southern France, or any Vichy territory for that matter, the same game turn I occupy it.

    2. This is the rule that applies to other Pro-X/L territories like Yugo or Greece. Am I correct here?

    3. And there is an exception if they have been previously attacked if I remember right?

    For example, if you attacked 99 with your fleet and then moved a transport in during NCM to occupy Yugoslavia, you could land aircraft from the 99 attack that still had movement, in Yugoslavia. Because Germany had previously attacked it.

    Thanks!

    1. You cannot.

    2. No, for the other neutrals the Global 1940 rule applies, which means if any neutral has been attacked by the enemy, you can land planes on it on your turn, regardless if you take control of it or if you leave it neutral.

    Answer 2 covers Q3 and your last example.

  • '19 '17

    No scrambles.

  • 2024 2023

    @Adam514 thanks for that clarification!

  • 2024 2023

    TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 2

    TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

    Game History

    Round: 2
    
        Research Technology - Germans
    
        Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 artillery, 2 carriers, 1 destroyer, 4 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
            Trigger Germans 6 Atlantic Wall Established Switch: Setting switch to true for conditionAttachment_Germans_6_Atlantic_Wall_Possible_Switch attached to Germans
    
        Politics - Germans
            Trigger Vichy France Has Occurred: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_French_Territory_May_Turn_Vichy_Switch attached to French
    
        Combat Move - Germans
            1 unit repaired.
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 115 Sea Zone to 107 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 107 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 113 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 98 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 98 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Northern Italy to 94 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Western Germany to 94 Sea Zone
    
        Combat - Germans
            Battle in 107 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 battleship
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers in 107 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship in 107 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans lost in 107 Sea Zone
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 107 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship in 107 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans lost in 107 Sea Zone
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter in 107 Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship in 107 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in 107 Sea Zone
                British win with 1 battleship remaining. Battle score for attacker is -30
                Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers
            Battle in 113 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
                British defend with 1 destroyer
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 113 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 113 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 98 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 destroyer
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 destroyer in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 98 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 94 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                    Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 3.33 expected hits
                    British roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                    1 transport owned by the British and 1 cruiser owned by the British lost in 94 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 17
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser and 1 transport
    
        Non Combat Move - Germans
            2 bombers, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 94 Sea Zone to Algeria
            1 fighter moved from 98 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to Libya
            1 transport moved from 117 Sea Zone to 116 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
            1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            5 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from France to Germany
            1 aaGun moved from Germany to Western Germany
            1 aaGun moved from Germany to Poland
            5 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
            1 artillery moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 artillery moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 infantry moved from Poland to Germany
    
        Place Units - Germans
            2 transports placed in 116 Sea Zone
            2 carriers and 1 destroyer placed in 113 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 4 infantry placed in Germany
    
        Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 39 PUs; end with 39 PUs
            Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 42 PUs
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 47 PUs
            Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 52 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Germans regular : -4.17
    British regular : -0.17
    

    Savegame

  • 2024 2023

    Well, that went great, with the obvious exception.

  • '19 '17

    Yeah that lone BB was quite bad.

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