Thanks @Stucifer, @SuperbattleshipYamato
& @Krieghund. I suspected that was the case but was really hoping it wasn’t.
Complain to WOTC if you dont like the quality!
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@Brain:
I don’t think I am going to pre-order the Europe game.
MY THOUGHTS!!! I WILL WAIT for this site’s feedback first! And i will not be buying any more knock offs or “revised” editions of anything from this point forward…cheap quality, expensive cost!
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i am still waiting to get home from my traveling to get my copy of Pac40, so i can not comment yet on the quality,
but i do want to say this…
would you rather have better quality for $10 more, or $20…
or would you rather have more people purchasing this board game?I thought I already did pay $10 or $20 more and that’s why the price was $90
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Quality does include having some bloke who knows how to spell words correctly.
Lack of quality is having no oversight on people who are working on the game, where things like too few Tactical Bombers for japan are included and too few chips, etc are also part of the game.
It is called Quality Control. If chimps are permitted to work at WOTC, at least watch them and carry a large stick.
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I still think there should be two versions of new A&A games; the complete game, and an “expansion version” for established players with only the new components (in adequate quantities), but none of the stuff we don’t need more of, such as Japanese infantry, money and IC pieces.
It strikes me from the feedback so far that this game is a compromise, falling between these two versions.
Since I would guess that a 50/50% split between these two potential markets is not unlikely, would this really not be economically viable? Or must we assume that the lack of compromises made would not in any way stem the tide of omissions, misprints and cheap quality?
At the very least, shouldn’t there be a dedicated version of the new Europe for people who’ve already shelled out on Pacific, with no unnecessary repeating of elements? (I’m assuming here that, for example, the total number of US pieces needed to play the global game will be somewhat less than that needed for the two individual theatres combined?)
And, obviously, some extra Japanese TACS and CVs even though they’re not used in Europe…But above all LET THE FANS IN ON THE DEVELOPMENT; at least at the fine tuning stages, to avoid the silly errors evidently abundant in this latest production (already serious enough to cancel any thoughts that I might buy this version).
Would they REALLY lose more money from people ripping off the map and rules taken from play testing forums than from the custom they lose by putting out shoddy products? REALLY?
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Well most of the problems seem to always be things that should be a given, but aren’t.
To employ a human that can spell words properly
Having a guy around to take the given pieces and set up the game and determine from that how many more chips and various pieces are needed for each player.
Have a guy who can say “hey these dice look like something from Halloween edition… can we get the other dice back?”
Have a guy who can play it out with the player aids and say “hey this battleboard strip thing is no good”
It can be the same guy but somebody must oversee this
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I can only hope that when (more like if) they fix these problems ex. low number of tac-bombers, battle strip, we can have them shipped to are house if we have already purchased a copy. What the heck im probably dreaming.
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Yes dreaming.
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well im not going to die from the production quality so i can just improvise with this game. ex. use old money from games, find more tac-bombers (still working on it). I can live without a battle board, its good for only begginers. the cardboard industrial complex are actually handy. No more having infantry in the middle of the ocean when an island becomes to crowded.
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well im not going to die from the production quality so i can just improvise with this game. ex. use old money from games, find more tac-bombers (still working on it). I can live without a battle board, its good for only begginers. the cardboard industrial complex are actually handy. No more having infantry in the middle of the ocean when an island becomes to crowded.
It’s a good thing that you are not going to die, but if that changes and before you do die, can you please file a complaint at WOTC. :-D
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of course i will. I am also trying to talk to larry himself on his website to at least see if he can send me some extra pieces. doubt he will do that but doesnt he know that his grand project for axis and allies has these noticable flaws?
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You see what is happening here, there is a situation being created. It is the lack of game pieces, chips, paper money. After seeing WOTC bring the new horror of D&D 4th Edition into the world, I realized the length certain minds go to to get an extra buck. The D&D 4th edition powers all classes use to play the game, conveniently came in card sized format. I shuddered to think one day they would peddle these powers to their gamers in card format, just to increase sales further. I was not surprised when the first packs came out. There are other lengths WOTC went to to drain the player base of cash, but this is not the place. I just needed the one example.
Now I look at this plight with the Axis and Allies game. They could be intentionally creating this game piece shortage in the market by putting so few into the new games. WOTC runs the production, they hold the power. Soon they might put out “booster” packs for the games in the form of new IPC paper money, packs of mini’s etc.
Who knows what diabolical schemes are being hatched at WOTC HQ!
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Was planning on buying this game but now i’m not so sure.
The problems with Japan’s tactical bombers, battlestrip,… is indeed weird, makes you wonder if they even played their own game.
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@mig:
The problems with Japan’s tactical bombers,
There are no problems with Japan’s Tac’s. Their combat value is balanced, they look good, and they sit good on the carrier, they will not fall down if you place them in front, since the wheels will hold them steady. They are rare, but just buy more copies of the game, and you will get enough of them, the new Mech’s and the grey chips. Then buy AA42 and you even get plastic units for your AA-guns. Butt dont call this problems. They are just issues that we can easyly solve, man.
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My budget limits me to 1 game and i’m doubting between this one and Runewars(from FFG, who answer when their customers feel ‘cheated’)
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Razor, I do wish you’d stop telling people to buy more copies of this game as well as AA42. I, for one, can’t afford to and I’m sure there are many others who are not in good financial positions either. As it is, I’m struggling to be able to afford one copy of Pac40; let alone two! Sorry, but I’m a bit offended by your comments; please try and be a little more sensitive to other people.
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The real solution would be for FMG to make the games we love.
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I am starting to believe Razor is a major stockholder….
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@Brain:
The real solution would be for FMG to make the games we love.
My thoughts exactly.
I am giving a Pac40 to my son at Christmas. I assume we will use pieces from our other A&A games until I paint some of these. I am quite sad to hear of the errors though. I am sure I have enough paper IPCs to play without worrying about the chips, but I think the chips instead of money is a good idea. Do they have enough money chips?
I am going to buy a set of FMG pieces, so the shortage of specific pieces is just a temporary annoyance. I do think WOTC is playing us. This is such a shame. How long before a “correct” rulebook is avaliable here? And then how long before a printable map?
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@Imperious:
Well most of the problems seem to always be things that should be a given, but aren’t.
To employ a human that can spell words properly
Having a guy around to take the given pieces and set up the game and determine from that how many more chips and various pieces are needed for each player.
Have a guy who can say “hey these dice look like something from Halloween edition… can we get the other dice back?”
Have a guy who can play it out with the player aids and say “hey this battleboard strip thing is no good”
It can be the same guy but somebody must oversee this
I will be out of a job on January 15th… Maybe Larry and Kev will hire me? Put in a good word.
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Variable, you are probably overqualified as it appears that you can spell.
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