L23 BM4 Pejon_88 (Allies+17) vs Roboto (Axis)

[Pejon_88]

@MrRoboto By quickly looking I confirm we at least seem to get the same rolls.

[Pejon_88]

@MrRoboto I will ask for an outside opinion here to not cause any aggravation here. @gamerman01 please review if you have time.

[MrRoboto]

Unfortunately yes. That’s the state of League game right now.

There is a discussion going on too, in the General Discussion thread. Right now we have to live with the fact that we can’t be certain that everything is correct. Everyone can cheat right now and there’s not much we can do about it.

I propose something though: We can roll every major battle on the forum. If you’re feeling safer, we can actually roll EVERY battle here too. I don’t mind, even though it’s more work for us obviously.

And I want to extend an olive branch. That attack on 110 was only a hail mary to take as much with me as possible, it was never meant to succeed. I do know the feeling of being diced, believe me. I have had my fair share of games lost because of crazy dice results.
So, why don’t we pick up after the sub hits and roll everything again on the forum?

[Pejon_88]

@MrRoboto That’s very gracious of you. Let start by having a 2nd opinion here. I already chatted a bit with Gamerman yesterday so he has an idea what we are talking about. He did vouch for you which means a great deal here. Also your quick replies now is to me proof of your sincerity.

Not correlated to our game , but I actually caught someone cheating once (no longer playing here) and that probably affects my view on things unfortunately.

Thanks!

[MrRoboto]

I have too! Back in the days cheating was impossible to hide - they just had to rely on the opponents not checking.

But that’s over for now, I’m afraid.

And that’s why I took part in the discussion with the current uncertainness.
I noticed it a couple weeks ago in another game and I posted several bug reports on tripleA and also on this site because I want this resolved asap.

[Pejon_88]

@MrRoboto great 😊

[gamerman01]

Excellent, gentlemen, I see the discussions are getting on very well.

I will wait to see if you come to a mutually satisfying resolution to the 110 battle or any others on that German turn. If either of you becomes uncomfortable, please contact me so that there are not negative feelings for either of you.

From what I’ve reviewed so far, I would tend toward Pejon’s cause because of the local vs. PBEM and forgetting to save issues were on MrRobotos end, but it looks like you two will resolve this well, and I do like the idea of rolling on forum for this game going forward. That’s not a ruling, it’s an opinion.

Very encouraging to see this kind of mature and kind behavior so far.

[MrRoboto]

Yeah we’re getting along fine :-)

I appreciate the discussion as well.

Do you accept my proposal of re-rolling the combat on the forum after the sub hits? Or do you have a counter proposal?

[Pejon_88]

@MrRoboto If you’re happy with that approach I say we go for it. You still have an edge by doing it this way (two hits with subs) which seems fair :)

Just want to clarify a couple of things. As we know we only get part of the rolls for any combat, but so far I’ve accepted that in my games since if I can verify the dice I actually get those in the save file are an exact match. Together with the correct Turn Summary etc. that’s been enough for me. But like Gamerman mentions, the use of the PBEM more than once giving contradictory dice, not saving properly etc. made it impossible for me to be at least somewhat sure that everything was in order.

With that said I don’t mistrust you, but this seems like a fair compromise.

Also, can we confirm how to go about going forward. I really don’t find it enjoyable to roll every single battle in the forum. If we can continue being careful with the saves and posting Turn Summaries I would prefer going back to how we’ve played previous rounds. I one of us is ever uncertain we can roll dice here too, but every battle? What do you think?

[gamerman01]

Did you get the sub hits on MARTI e-mail? I was thinking you maybe did. If you did, yes they should stand.

[Pejon_88]

@gamerman01 Actually I didn’t when I look at my MARTI dice… Apologies, I replied to the post by MrRoboto where he said the below and I thought we had the sub dice:

“And I want to extend an olive branch. That attack on 110 was only a hail mary to take as much with me as possible, it was never meant to succeed. I do know the feeling of being diced, believe me. I have had my fair share of games lost because of crazy dice results.
So, why don’t we pick up after the sub hits and roll everything again on the forum?”

The only dice I have from the SZ110 battle are:

Pejon vs Roboto:Americans roll dice for 4 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 11 fighters and 6 transports in 110 Sea Zone, round 2
4,6,4,5,2,5,4,3,2,4,6,3,3,1,1,3,6,3

Pejon vs Roboto:Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers in 110 Sea Zone, round 3
3,4,6,2,1,4,1,4,2,5,1 (I believe we concluded this was from the 2nd time MrRoboto played via PBEM)

Pejon vs Roboto:Americans roll dice for 10 fighters and 6 transports in 110 Sea Zone, round 3
1,2,1,3,2,2,6,2,3,6

[Pejon_88]

@MrRoboto did you get additional MARTI dice?

[MrRoboto]

No, those are the only ones. I have received some from August, but that was another battle in 110. Sometimes I receive MARTI mails late, but not always.

I suggested that approach because, as Pejon already correctly stated, I still have a slight edge of two more hits than average. Considering that I give up a huge dicing in my favour (that can’t be confirmed) I thought this was fair and Pejon seems to agree.

If, however, you’d prefer the cleanest option (which is to roll the entire battle here), that’s fine with me too. That would certainly leave no sour taste in any direction. I’ll ask one more time! My next post will include dice rolls, no matter how you decide ;-)

Going forward, I agree with you Pejon - rolling every battle here is strenuous. It seems that the biggest issue seems to be battles with multiple rounds. Would you prefer rolling bigger battles here and leaving small skirmishes to MARTI?

By the way - I really do appreciate the discussion with you Pejon. You have every right to be distrustful and even angry, but you remain very polite and diplomatic. Thanks for that!

[Pejon_88]

@MrRoboto OK, I never seem to receive any late.

Ok, since we’re discussing dice not received which includes the 2 subs as much as any other missed rolls, let’s re-roll the whole battle.

Also the manual edits one has to perform is tedious in my opinion.

I’m certainly ok with that approach. As long as I can see that there is some connection to the save file and turn summary I’m fine with not getting all dice. For example I didn’t receive any dice in G7 when you hit the fleet in SZ95 and wiped it out without losses, but got the dice from the Scotland battle right after. Those matched the save file and turn summary which made things reasonable.

If we are uncertain, we simply ask the other before rolling?

I’m was never angry at all, but I’m definitely glad we can see things similarly.

GLHF going forward :)

[MrRoboto]

Okay I will roll the entire battle on the forums now.

I attack with

2 subs
1 destroyer
2 healthy carriers
1 cruiser
5 fighters
1 battleship
4 tacs
2 bombers

Power: 52, average hits: 8 2/3

[dice 2d6<=2]
[dice 1d6<=2]
[dice 6d6<=3]
[dice 7d6<=4]

[dicebot]

2d6<=2: 1, 6; Hits: 1
1d6<=2: 4; Hits: 0
6d6<=3: 1, 1, 2, 3, 6, 1; Hits: 5
7d6<=4: 6, 6, 2, 6, 3, 5, 1; Hits: 3

[MrRoboto]

By the way, I JUST now noticed that I actually forgot the sub off Scotland. Would you allow me to move it into the fight as well?

[Pejon_88]

@MrRoboto yes for sure.

[MrRoboto]

[dice 1d6<=2]

[dicebot]

1d6<=2: 5; Hits: 0