L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43)

[trulpen]

@jkeller said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

i have no idea what this means or what 3A is. So what is your suggestion?

Yep, 3A equals TripleA.

It’s a bit messy. There might have been like 2 rounds of one less sub roll, but I can count them as no hits. Trying to correct it is definitely possible, but a bit of a hassle, since any hit would influence later battle rounds.

My suggestion is to leave it as it is. It’s the simplest solution atleast.

[AndrewAAGamer]

This battle, as stands, did not take casualties properly.

• Battle in 26 Sea Zone
• Americans attack with 2 carriers, 4 destroyers, 4 fighters, 5 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber; ANZAC loiter and taunt
• Japanese defend with 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters, 9 infantry, 10 submarines and 5 transports

ROUND 1
AMERICANS GET 1 HIT – TAKEN ON UNDAMAGED BB

• Americans roll dice for 5 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 4,4,6,3,1
• Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Japanese

AMERICANS GET 5 MORE HITS – TAKEN ON 5 SS (SHOWN FURTHER DOWN)

• Americans roll dice for 2 carriers, 4 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1,1,3,3,5,6,1,3,4

JAPANESE GET TWO SUB HITS – 1 IS TAKEN ON UNDAMAGED AC, 1 HIT IS TAKEN ON SS (NOT SHOWN). (ONLY 2 USA SUBS FIRE IN ROUND 2. SINCE 5 US SUBS STARTED 3 TOTAL WERE TAKEN AS CASUALTIES IN ROUND 1 EVEN THOUGH THE 3RD US SUB LOSS IS NOT SHOWN). THIS IS CORRECT.

• Japanese roll dice for 10 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5,1,2,5,1,3,4,3,2,6
• Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Americans

JAPANESE GET 2 MORE HITS – TAKEN ON 2 SS

• Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 5 transports in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 6,2,3,5,4,5
• 2 submarines owned by the Americans and 5 submarines owned by the Japanese lost in 26 Sea Zone

ROUND 2
AMERICANS GET 3 HITS – TAKEN ON 3 SS (SHOWN FURTHER DOWN)

• Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 3 : 6,4
• Americans roll dice for 2 carriers, 4 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 26 Sea Zone, round 3 : 5,4,1,5,6,2,4,4,2

JAPANESE GET 4 HITS – TAKEN ON 2 SUBS, DD, DAMAGED AC (SHOWN BELOW). ALL 5 US SUBS ARE NOW SUNK!!!

• Japanese roll dice for 5 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 3 : 5,3,4,6,4
• Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 5 transports in 26 Sea Zone, round 3 : 2,2,2,1,5,6
• 2 submarines owned by the Americans, 1 destroyer owned by the Americans, 3 submarines owned by the Japanese and 1 carrier owned by the Americans lost in 26 Sea Zone

ROUND 3
AMERICANS GET 4 HITS – TAKEN ON 2 SS AND 2 DD (SHOWN FURTHER DOWN)

• Americans roll dice for 1 carrier, 3 destroyers, 4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 26 Sea Zone, round 4 : 1,5,1,3,5,4,3,6

JAPANESE GET 4 HITS – TAKEN ON UNDAMAGED AC, 2 DD. ONE HIT IS MISSING!!!

• Japanese roll dice for 2 submarines in 26 Sea Zone, round 4 : 2,1
• Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 5 transports in 26 Sea Zone, round 4 : 3,5,3,1,1,4
• Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the Americans
• 2 destroyers owned by the Americans, 2 destroyers owned by the Japanese and 2 submarines owned by the Japanese lost in 26 Sea Zone
• 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Americans and 4 fighters owned by the Americans retreated
• 2 fighters owned by the ANZAC, 1 submarine owned by the Americans, 1 destroyer owned by the Americans and 1 carrier owned by the Americans retreated to 30 Sea Zone
• Japanese win
• Battle casualty summary: Battle score (TUV change) for attacker is 12

SUMMARY
The battle retreated a US sub even though it was killed during the battle. THIS US SUB IN SZ 30 SHOULD BE REMOVED. In addition, the US needs to LOSE ONE MORE UNIT from the battle. This unit can be DD, damaged AC (with two ANZAC fighters), fighter or tactical bomber.

EDIT
Then, during the US Non-Combat Move, an Edit was performed. It appears:
a) 1 US Sub was removed to replace the hit on Undamaged AC

b) 1 US Fighter was removed to make up for missing 2nd hit

C) A hit was placed on the Japanese carrier and both fighters removed. Not understanding why this was done as all Japanese casualties were accounted for in the battle.

CORRECTIONS TO BE MADE FROM CURRENT MAP

1. If the US Player wants to have an undamaged AC then ONE OTHER US UNIT SHOULD BE REMOVED instead of the already killed sub. Or put the damaged carrier back on the board.

2. THE JAPANESE 2 FIGHTERS AND UNDAMAGED AC SHOULD BE RESTORED.

[gamerman01]

Wow, thanks for being all over that, Andrew.
I haven’t studied the situation, but if there are any disagreements I would certainly be willing to give another opinion.

[AndrewAAGamer]

@andrewaagamer said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

CORRECTIONS TO BE MADE FROM CURRENT MAP

If the US Player wants to have an undamaged AC then ONE OTHER US UNIT SHOULD BE REMOVED instead of the already killed sub. Or put the damaged carrier back on the board.

THE JAPANESE 2 FIGHTERS AND UNDAMAGED AC SHOULD BE RESTORED.

It looks like there was a second EDIT during the end of the UK Turn that removed the US DD from SZ 30. Therefore, the only owed edits are to put the 2 Jap fighters and undamaged AC back on the board.

[trulpen]

@andrewaagamer said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

1 HIT IS TAKEN ON SS (NOT SHOWN)

Ok, so there was a bug. I saw a sub reappear after the retreat, which I had wanted to take as casualty.

I’ll look at it again and will correct accordingly.

[trulpen]

I’ll see if it is possible. A hit on the ac with the 2 aussie figs is not an option, but I’d rather have taken a fig as casualty. Shot under the water from chemo, but I’m trying to investigate it properly.

[trulpen]

@andrewaagamer said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

It looks like there was a second EDIT during the end of the UK Turn that removed the US DD from SZ 30. Therefore, the only owed edits are to put the 2 Jap fighters and undamaged AC back on the board.

There was a separate battle. You can find the file above. Since 3A doesn’t take edits into account when doing battle, it would not have worked to remove the sub even if I had seen it. Anyway, the sub was an anomaly.

[trulpen]

I might have messed this up quite a bit though. Still investigating.

[trulpen]

@trulpen said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

Did one more battle round, got 3 hits. Think the only rational choice is to sack the figs and dmg ac.

L21 SF jkeller vs trulpen (+43) OOB battle.tsvg

It’s not easy to find, but I think it’s this file.

[trulpen]

I believe there’s an easy fix. The des shouldn’t have been in the battle, so I take 2 fig as casualty instead of 1 fig, 1 des in the last (separate) battle round.

If it had hit I would’ve removed a hit from the attack, but it didn’t.

UCU16 correction L21 SF jkeller vs trulpen (+43) OOB.tsvg

[AndrewAAGamer]

@trulpen said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

I believe there’s an easy fix. The des shouldn’t have been in the battle, so I take 2 fig as casualty instead of 1 fig, 1 des in the last (separate) battle round.

If it had hit I would’ve removed a hit from the attack, but it didn’t.

I agree with this assessment and correction.

[AndrewAAGamer]

@trulpen said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

@trulpen said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

Did one more battle round, got 3 hits. Think the only rational choice is to sack the figs and dmg ac.

L21 SF jkeller vs trulpen (+43) OOB battle.tsvg

It’s not easy to find, but I think it’s this file.

Yep - I missed that file.

[trulpen]

@andrewaagamer said in L21 playoff OOB jkeller(X) vs trulpen (L+43):

Yep - I missed that file.

Easily done. Many files posted there.

I’ll try to check again that everything matches and is correct. Especially that the separate battle was true without only the des.

Your imput was and is a good safeguard.

[trulpen]

I believe it is correct now.

True TUV-change was 96 - 98 = -2.

[jkeller]

somewhere along the line my factory in north italy just disappeared. I am going to edit it back in as well as the placement of my mech previous turn (which only reason i didnt place north italy was the glitch)

[trulpen]

Sure thing. Don’t think it has been taken over, so it’s still a MIC, right?

[jkeller]

l21-sf-jkeller-vs-trulpen-43-oob (79).tsvg

Game History

Round: 17

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 4 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        2 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Volgograd
        1 bomber moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Normandy Bordeaux

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
            Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            British defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Normandy Bordeaux
            Italians win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from British with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry
        Battle in Volgograd
            Italians attack with 1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys
            British defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 mech_infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys in Volgograd, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Volgograd, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 mech_infantry owned by the British lost in Volgograd
            Italians win, taking Volgograd from British with 1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for British: 1 mech_infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Romania: 1 mech_infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Northern Italy: 1 factory_minor
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
        1 mech_infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Germany
        1 mech_infantry moved from Denmark to Germany
        2 infantry moved from Germany to Western Germany
        4 infantry moved from Denmark to Western Germany
        1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        1 artillery moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
        3 infantry moved from France to Southern France
        1 bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern Italy
        1 fighter moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
        1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Italy to Yugoslavia
        3 infantry moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
        3 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
        2 aaGuns moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy

    Place Units - Italians
        1 mech_infantry placed in Southern Italy
        3 mech_infantrys placed in Northern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 8
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,5,6,4,1,1,6,4
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 105 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,2
        Italians collect 10 PUs (8 lost to blockades); end with 10 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : 0.50
British regular : 0.33

[jkeller]

it was taken by usa at one point so its a minor

[trulpen]

Franz17 L21 SF jkeller vs trulpen (+43) OOB.tsvg

Game History

Round: 17

   Purchase Units - ANZAC

       ANZAC buy 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 



   Combat Move - ANZAC

       1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone

       3 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone

       2 fighters moved from 30 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone

       1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone

             ANZAC take 43 Sea Zone from Japanese



   Combat - ANZAC

       Battle in 26 Sea Zone

           ANZAC attack with 1 destroyer, 5 fighters and 1 submarine

           Japanese defend with 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 9 infantry and 5 transports

               ANZAC roll dice for 1 submarine in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits

               ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer and 3 fighters in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1,83 expected hits

               Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier and 5 transports in 26 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1,00 expected hits

               2 infantry owned by the Japanese, 1 transport owned by the Japanese, 1 carrier owned by the Japanese, 1 battleship owned by the Japanese and 1 submarine owned by the ANZAC lost in 26 Sea Zone

               7 infantry owned by the Japanese, 1 artillery owned by the Japanese and 4 transports owned by the Japanese lost in 26 Sea Zone

           ANZAC win, taking 26 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 96

           Casualties for ANZAC: 1 submarine

           Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 9 infantry and 5 transports



   Non Combat Move - ANZAC

       1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone

       3 fighters moved from 26 Sea Zone to New Zealand

       2 fighters moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands

       1 artillery moved from South Australia to New South Wales

       2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Queensland to New South Wales

       1 infantry moved from South Australia to New South Wales

       1 fighter moved from Persia to Kazakhstan

       4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northwest Persia to Novgorod



   Place Units - ANZAC

       1 submarine placed in 62 Sea Zone

       1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in New South Wales



   Turn Complete - ANZAC

       ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 11 PUs



   Combat Move - French



   Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Japanese regular : 0,00

ANZAC regular : 0,83

[jkeller]

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