i go for italy, but only when i am going usa atlantic 100% with intent to land in italy.
one of the downsides of bombing italy, is that they usually only produce 2-3 units per turn. so to make your bombing effective, you have to deal at least 6 damage, since they can just shrug off the first 4 damage.
however, if you have 3-4 or so total bombers between the usa and uk (easy if none get shot down), then italy is in a world of pain and can only build like 1 infantry per turn.
do a turn 4 or 5 landing with 4 or so transports full of american guys, and well… thats basically my allied strategy right there.
Italy + SBR = destruction?
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Ahh yes if i was italy i would wish for a better navy because italy has 12 ipcs and lets say +5 from med bonus even so thats not enough for some big ships and you need inf. at lybia every turn or else
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That is right. Two infantrys or inf + artillery should be the basic production for the italians.
…and you need to cover your battleship and the cuisers from turn 2 or 3. Subs are cheap (6 IPCs).
But I think it is no solution to hide the impressive Italian fleet in the firts turns.
The germans will clear the north sea and northern atlantik from UK ships (especiallay UK destroyers) in the first turn. Teamwork is essential.
There is never enough money for big ships if two opponents concentrate on you. No matter if you german or italian.
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Agreed. Loosing a capital ship would take over 3 turns for Italy to replace (Assuming Italy bought nothing for three turns).
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Thas why i when i heard about this game and no pics where out yet i assumed italy would have 1 bship.
This looks accurate since the italian navy was the same size as the english navy in ww2 in the med. sea.
The only problem i can see is german and italian turns are not the same and if you look at the setups more german troopz are in lybia and algeria this will be a problem!
Italy and german troops will have to make an agreement like germany defends italy while italy goes all out on africa? -
What about having a law of diminishing returns… ie the more bombers you sent the less efficient they are individually. As the same thing can’t be blown up twice in a row, the first bombers hit the high value targest and then work their way down a list. But its always beter to send more bombers as to concentrate the damage.
1 bomber = no penalty
2 bombers = -1 (1)
3 bombers = -3 (-1,-2)
4 bombers -6 (-1,-2,-3) -
good idea for house rules!
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Thas why i when i heard about this game and no pics where out yet i assumed italy would have 1 bship.
This looks accurate since the italian navy was the same size as the english navy in ww2 in the med. sea.
The only problem i can see is german and italian turns are not the same and if you look at the setups more german troopz are in lybia and algeria this will be a problem!
Italy and german troops will have to make an agreement like germany defends italy while italy goes all out on africa?Germany should attack egypt first. I posted this strategie on october 5th on this topic.
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Meh to lazy to look it up but german men in africa are a lot and can surly take on the brits!
Anyways bombing italy is not that usefull since they do nto give such a big roll and will do very little. If i was usa and had 5 bombers i would go all out on germany even lets say they could make italy all germany. I see no piont in bombing the italians unless they are alive while there ally germany died. Without germany italy your next and you would die -
Meh, if Italy takes Africa and can hold it, the game will be very hard for the allies. Basically you then have a weakened UK, and two strong central European powers that would be able to take on Russia easily. And if the US goes after Germany, Japan is going to have a free hand in China. While China does provide some restiance, it will be the question of is there enough time for the allies to make a move, before China falls.
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ahhh i can see taking afirka wont change must jsut that great britian will hold a country for transports to go and italy fightign abck a lot
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What’s the problem?
You won’t buy “THIS GAME” cause somebody could bomb Italy to ruins?
With this new weapon develop system there is a good chance to develop radar. Three bombers fly in and you will shot one down every round!
If they concentrate on Italy - Germany and Japan will give’em hell!
Bombers are expensive! If they build a lot of it, the somewhere on the board are less ships, infantery, etc….
This game can’t be ruled by a single factor like SBR or rockets!
Dito
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just make house rules to fix it, but play the game before you jump to conclusions.
Obviously if its got some issue Italy will get more pieces and you will be happy.
edit: joke not taken well on pizza
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I think that the best buy for Italy on turn 1 is TRS+1 inf. You need two transports to put up a real threat to Caucasus or in the Med. You need to leave 1 BB in CMD to protect that TRS build from the UK bmb on turn 1.
The problem with combating Italy is that they have such a heavy shore bombardment force, which makes it hard to take Algeria. EGY and TRJ should fall to a combined German and Italian assault in almost every game, the big fight will be after the first 2 turns. I think a stronger concentration of naval and air forces is a better way to bring Italy down than just shipping land units into Algeria. Once that fleet is destroyed, Italy becomes a “sitting duck”. SBR vs. Italy can be effective I think as a preparation for entering the Med. A CV is a good buy for Italy, so preventing that build by using SBR can be a boost for the Allies.
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I think that the best buy for Italy on turn 1 is TRS+1 inf. You need two transports to put up a real threat to Caucasus or in the Med. You need to leave 1 BB in CMD to protect that TRS build from the UK bmb on turn 1.
The problem with combating Italy is that they have such a heavy shore bombardment force, which makes it hard to take Algeria. EGY and TRJ should fall to a combined German and Italian assault in almost every game, the big fight will be after the first 2 turns. I think a stronger concentration of naval and air forces is a better way to bring Italy down than just shipping land units into Algeria. Once that fleet is destroyed, Italy becomes a “sitting duck”. SBR vs. Italy can be effective I think as a preparation for entering the Med. A CV is a good buy for Italy, so preventing that build by using SBR can be a boost for the Allies.
I couldn’t agree more with you. However you can always face German defeat at Egypt (like I described somewhere else).
With 2 trns plus ground forces moving from Balkans to Ukraine the Italians are a force to be reckoned with. :wink:
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the trick is the italians need a german player who will coperate and actually fight in africa with the troops there then send troops in italy to defend it so italy, can send men (lets say 4inf. every turn from 2 transport after a few turns to egypt if take)
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I don’t see what the big deal is if Italy is bombed back to the stone age.
So what!? If it would take some heat off of Germany I think that alone may have made it a better game.
LT
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If i was germany i would want the allies to bomb italy even if i am italy because germany can come back after operation barbossa and have many units (fighters and ships near the atlantic) ready for battle. I would if italy ask for support and wish for germany to send a few inf. a turn to my beloved capital though bombing taly is an excuse for the allies giving the game to the axis!
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I don’t see where bombing Italy is all that big a help for the Allies. Just like in revised once the Axis (in this case) Italy can get a tank or two into Egypt to blitz around Africa the Axis has completed its goal of taking away UK IPCs. one of the things I have found that Italy can do to help out the Germans is to send one or two infantry per round to France. This provides defense and frees up German infantry for the Eastern Front. While I haven’t tested it yet a bomber purchase or two for Italy for a SBR campaign against England in concert with Germany may not be such a bad idea either.
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if i am italy (asia or africa and when we are losing support on main land italy + france0h)
Anyways what i see is more battles in africa (i am hoping to look forward to pacific battles which i love!)
I play this game called b.net and this guy made a a&a europe and a&a pacific on it and it is pro but he wanted to make the full map but not enough space!
This game is very similiar except not turn basis and (fighters like the spitfire lancester hurricane you can buy seperate planes and tanks like germany panzer 3 panzer 4 king tiger (like germany has 20 different tanks)
These games rule except a&a pacific leans towards the allies!
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