I am curious how Italians view the addition of Italy to AA50..

Hi, hope this can be find useful.
You have all the set-up for 1941 and 1942 scenarii.
Here is 1941 Set-up for Japan:

Japan Starting income: 17 IPCs
Okinawa: 1 Infantry
Manchuria: 3 Infantry, 1 Fighter
Japan: 4 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 AAA, 1 Tank, 1 Fighter, Industrial Complex
Iwo Jima: 1 Infantry
Caroline Islands: 3 Infantry
Formosa: 1 Fighter
French Indo-China/Thailand: 3 Infantry
Kiangsu: 3 Infantry

NAVAL SETUP:
Sea Zone 51: 1 Destroyer, 2 Transports
Sea Zone 57: 2 Aircraft Carriers, 4 Fighters
Sea Zone 61: 1 Aircraft Carrier with 2 Fighters, 1 Battleship, 1 Cruiser, 1 Transport with 1 Infantry & 1 Artillery, 1 Transport with 2 Infantry
Sea Zone 62: 1 Transport

1942 Japanese scenario:

Japan Starting income: 31 IPCs
Okinawa: 1 Infantry
Manchuria: 2 Infantry, 1 Fighter
Japan: 4 Infantry, 1 Artillery, 1 AAA, 1 Tank, 1 Fighter, 1 Bomber, Industrial Complex
Iwo Jima: 1 Infantry
Caroline Islands: 1 Infantry
Formosa: 1 Fighter
French Indo-China/Thailand: 2 Infantry, 1 Fighter
Kiangsu: 3 Infantry
Wake Island: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
Solomon Islands: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
New Guinea: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
Philippine Islands: 2 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
Borneo: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
East Indies: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
Burma: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker
Kwangtung: 1 Infantry, 1 Control Marker

NAVAL SETUP:
Sea Zone 38: 1 Aircraft Carrier with 2 Fighters, 1 Battleship
Sea Zone 46: 1 Submarine
Sea Zone 50: 1 Cruiser
Sea Zone 51: 1 Aircraft Carrier with 1 Fighter, 1 Destroyer
Sea Zone 62: 1 Battleship, 1 Transport

Axis_Setup Chart.doc

@Jon03021:

If I wanted to purchase a copy of AA50 from someone on the forums, ebay, amazon or some other seller, what would be a good price? What do they normally sell for. Amazon has some listed for 750$! Do they really sell for that price?

I suspect the price will come down now that global is out. Until that happens you can do any one of the previous reccomendations or simply play off the battlemap module wether it be online or ftf. The setup is right there with no hour wasted.

@templeton:

… but there were nearly 100 players. (http://www.jimwallman.org.uk/tlw/index.htm) That way you simulate the reality of missinterpreted orders, bad briefings…

This looked like an amazing simulation. I can’t imagine having conflicting political and military objectives along with poor communication. What wonderful chaos that must have created. Were any of the German Generals shot for not following orders?

@templeton:

I like to try and do this for Axis and Allies, and hope to get 12 people playing in the new year. This way you can have Japanese Army and Japanese Navy and make them argue over strategy. Ditto the US are split into ETO and PTO - that way you don’t get such a strong KGF, as the other player wants to follow KJF.

Keep us posted on this one. It has some real interesting potential – I’d like to try and get this working with our local gaming group. We can usually muster 10 people or so once a month and get 2 boards going at once so combining it to one group wouldn’t be too far of a stretch.

What kind of white “control” team do you need to pull this off, and how to you keep the dialectic tension at a high level within the teams?

so the game should go for how many rounds? 6, 7, 8?

i think 7 or 8

@Flying:

I see no strategy evolving that includes fighting Japan with a large enough effort that simulates the real war. It will be KGIF. I do think KGIF can be defeated by Japan buying large quantities of bombers and using them to blast Russian ICs. This would give the Germans an opening to crush Russia.

Japan can make America fight.

@Krupp:

@Krieghund:

Unfortunately, it didn’t get a unique sculpt.  They reused the Japanese bomber, molded in brown.  Apparently they thought that the Japanese Betty more closely resembled an actual Italian bomber than any of the other existing sculpts.

Thanks for a quick answer :-), but either way I would have liked a unique sculpt even if it was ugly looking :-P

I do not want to enter in a discussion about italian miniatures, it seems that the majority of the players are not interested in this aspect and, furthermore, A&A Anniversary is not a miniature game. So it is ok to use an already available mini.

However also I would like to have a unique sculpt for the Italian bombers. Moreover, it is really unclear to me where they discovered the similarity with the Betty.

The Japanese Betty was a medium bomber with two engine.
The more representative Italian Bomber the Savoia Marchetti SM-79 “Sparviero” (sparrowhawk) was a three engine medium bomber, used for level bombing and also as torpedo bomber. Moreover the SM-79 was really a bad looking airplane, it was knew in Italy as the “Gobbo” (humpbacked) for the layout of the body. For this reason it is similar to the Betty in the same manner that the Ju-88 is similar to the B-17. It was a stubborn airplane, used in several roles and missions.

The Regia Aeronautica (Italian Royal Airforce) entered the war with a respectable force of bombers so it is obvious that Italy get a Bomber.

@Sherman:

What would have made the game more interesting is if they changed that rule so that you collect only half of your income, because counterattacks from somewhere else would have been a realistic possibility. Thoughts?

I like this idea, new house rule to pose to the guys.