One of my worst dice ever was on R1 on the WR attack:
G killed my 9 inf, 1 art and 1 arm AND was still left with 1 ARM at the end….that’s 0.4% odds… :x
Needless to say, Russia did not last long on that game afterwards
I just recently attacked and killed a Japanese DD, Tran and Sub with only a British DD over four rounds of combat without losing my Destroyer.
Obviously my opponent was not pleased. :-D
Attacked SZ 15 in first turn with BB and FIG and a loaded TRA for ongoing attack to EGY. Have to cancel and return to SZ 14 after two rounds with damaged BB and killed FIG. Needless to say that the attack on EGY also was a desaster …
Lost DD and AC to the japanese TRA in SZ 59 on first turn.
<edit>Did I mentioned that the TRA have survive that battle?</edit>
Two like that…
Current game attack on Moscow by Japan. Around 99% odds to win. Japan forces wiped out with USSR still having forces left.
About a year ago against Gamer (I think it was Gamer)…
It was either a Caucuses or Ukraine battle. I hit 0.02% probability and took no enemy forces and got wiped out; effectively ended the game.
yea nothing like beer & battle with the guys. these boards are cool, but i’ll take a real game of trash talk & dice flying around the room anytime.
Bad dice was pretty common during real WW II too
1941 Japan attack Singapore with 30 000 men, Brits defend with 120 000 men dug in + large fleet. In A&A this will equal Japan attack with 1 inf, brit defend with 4 inf and lose all.
In the German attack on France 1940, Germany attacked with 400 divisions and 2700 tanks, and France/Britain defend with 400 divisions and 4200 tanks. In A&A this will be like Germany attack with 20 inf and 3 tanks, and Allies defend with 20 inf and 4 tanks and lose all, while germany lose 1 inf. During Barbarossa it was even more skewed, and Russia lost like 10 times more men than Germany.
In Battle of Crete, Germany attack with 10 000 pratroopers and Brits defend with 50 000 men and have a large fleet in adjacent sea zone. This will be like Germany attack with 1 bomber and brits defend with 5 inf and loose all.
Of course in real wars you usually need to be 3 to 1 in attacks if you want to succeed, but as we see bad luck exist in real world too
Yeah, Midway is another clasic example of bad dice, I remember playing AvalonHills Midway for the first and last time when I was about 15.
My buddy who owned the game said “I’ll let you be America.”
I was thinking “Sweet easy win!”
It’s amazing the odds the US fleet over came when you lay all those ships out…
Needless to say the outcome was not historical…
And that is exactly why LL is not the same game as ADS!
i just had in my game against EM 1 inf + BB bombard against egypt (3 inf 1 bomber)… infantry takes egypt
freakin zorro
:x
Aldertag,
I smote you for bringing real life examples into this game.
we all like to feel like the dice are not our friends/ or are unrealisticly for us from time to time.
How come I never get any dice like that!?! :-P
Otherwise, I like ya. :wink:
“good luck” in real life wars is usually secondary to good leadership, higher tech or better strategies, not " good luck". Russia sure had a big army in WWI, but they sure didnt fare too well. And American infantry sure can kill a whole lot of enemy infantry with minimal casualties, but thats because of fancy weapons and vehicles. Course that dont necessarily mean we win…
@Crazy:
we all like to feel like the dice are not our friends/ or are unrealisticly for us from time to time.
Yep, this is the difference between ADS and LL… I’d go for LL any day :wink:
The game just doesn’t take into account the quality of the troops. All pieces of infantry have the same combat value fore each side. Therefore, a piece of russian infantry in the game represents more men than a piece of german infantry.
Quality vs quantity
timidity vs tenacity
technology vs trueism
might makes right!
But luck doesn’t have anything to do with it? Sorry, but that just doesn’t seem to fit.
What was it the TBM pilot radioed back to his carrier air wing commander as they found the Japanese Imperial Carriers just north of Midway Island? Oh ya, " What good Luck!" " We caught them with their decks full!"
Yes my friends, “Luck” often is what gives one side the advantage, despite all the other multipliers of a battle.
That is why some gamers will never play LL, as it will reduce their chances for luck being a big factor in winning or losing their game. That way, they can always blame it on the “dice” and not their abilities or strategy.
How many of us will brag about too awesomely advantageous dice ?
I have some ‘war stories’ but none as outrageous as the first examples given.
Guess the brain is more an ‘injustice detector’ than a neutral reasoning machine ?
@Crazy:
What was it the TBM pilot radioed back to his carrier air wing commander as they found the Japanese Imperial Carriers just north of Midway Island? Oh ya, " What good Luck!" " We caught them with their decks full!"
Hmm, nobody in Belgium thinks the loss of fort Eben-Emael was bad luck. for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Eben-Emael
the point is: catching your enemy of guard is not a matter of luck. It’s a matter of stupid enemies and smart planning.
Real-life examples are fun and all, but we have to remember one thing:
We’re not replaying WWII, we’re playing a game of what might have been WWII.
And that’s a good thing too, because otherwise who would ever play the Axis, knowing you’re going to lose?
I think if we were replaying WWII, HolKann would gladly give me the Germans and Japanese every time :lol:(Even though he can kick my sorry behind with the Allies anyway).
Being able to change history, is what makes the game so appealing to me.
And using the dice just have a certain charm to it, right? :-P
I forgott the Finnish winter war in 1939 with 20 000 dead finns and one million dead russians
Finland defend with 2 inf and Russia attack with 10 inf. Russia lose all inf and Finn lose none
Finland had two NA’s to survive this. You know, “a finnish soldier is equal to ten russian ones”, and Mannerheim line :-D
Well, I supose good leadership could be a matter of luck, Patton wasn’t killed in WWI, lucky for us. Also it’s not always clear who will be a great leader, sometimes a captain or even some nameless grunt can change a battle. The point is if battles always went the way they should this game would be boring, I love the lopsided battles, when they are for me or against me. They make the game more interesting and fun.
Here’s another one, same game.
Germany invades Caucuses with 6 Ftrs, 3 Arm and 4Inf against 4Inf and 1Ftr
Opening round Russia rolls a yatzee - 5 aces for AA and then hits with all 4 Inf
in the end Germany retreated its last fighter and 1 Arm leaving 1 Inf holding Stalingrad, I guess Zukov was there…
