Can you confirm that it will be demo’ed at Gen Con? If Larry is going to be at Gen Con or origins, then he must have it. If thats true, then expect Imperious Leader to arrive first class with my personal escort battalion.
This is so very important to me as you may already know. Its in my soul you might say. A culmination of indirect influence over years finally paying off.
The reason why i am here for all these years was for such a game to be made professionally.
I’m sorry, I don’t know what the plans for GenCon are. It wouldn’t surprise me if it were to show up there, though.
Greg Smorey eluded to this a week ago in his blog email he sent out. I emailed him and he didn’t reply.
Id start bugging him because he knows something that we don’t. I feel it.
Kreig:
please keep people here posted ASAP when you know we know. :wink:
The release date is october/november, so be patient and prudent oh great leader of mine
On one hand I dont understand AH’s policy about releasing details of the games almost on the dead line… but on the other hand… think about it: If you knew EVERYTHING about this game like 7 months earlier… what diference would it make??? You could still dream on about the game… the game release is 23 October 2008… you wont be able to paly it till then.
Sooooo…whats the diference between knowing everything about the game and not knowing? Its the same… You can only dream about it… you’ll be able to play it only after 23 October.
Bottom line? RELAX… and live life! :roll:
This should offer plenty of opportunity for playtesting this time around so hopefully the fanbase won’t have to rework the rules like LHTR. Wonder if it will “borrow” any ideas/NA’s from Enhanced?
The new version sounds awesome. I’m usually all psyched out over video games but this is just as exciting if not more so. Rock on Larry!
Deluxe=anniversary edition?
yes exactly!
Its a special new version of Revised that includes many new ideas and Italy!
I read the other thread. I was just wondering if the two were the same.
Thanks.
really?
oh my god so Deluxe is finally coming
That Yoper seems to be in the know and since he seems pretty involved in the tourney scene along with Smorey I would not be surprised if this version was much more ‘tourney’ friendly read: quicker to play.
And with over 600 pieces and the big board it is fair priced at $100. The revised set has about 360 pieces and goes for $50 bucks.
While I hate to disappoint Aldertag and IL I’ll only be able to get 1 copy.
@Craig:
The fact that tournament games need to come to a certain conclusion within a set timeframe is something that a GM must deal with on their own. People keep thinking that Larry should have tournament rules included in the game, but really that is something that should be left to the individual GMs. The needs of the different GMs determine what each of them need for their tournament.
Larry has enough on his plate when dealing with everything that comes with developing a game. And he isn’t a tournament GM and has never dealt with the issues that a GM deals with.
Indeed. The tournaments exist for the game, not the game for the tournaments. :-)
Fair enough guys. :-)
Thanks for the first hint of what’s to come!!!
@Craig:
As for Victory Conditions, I think people will appreciate a better set of Victory Cities that have been chosen for use in the Anniv. game.
Craig
@Craig:
People keep thinking that Larry should have tournament rules included in the game, but really that is something that should be left to the individual GMs. The needs of the different GMs determine what each of them need for their tournament.
I disagree.
It is true that individual GMs need to structure their tournaments as they see fit. Nobody’s going to dispute that.
However, Larry should have put in rulesets allowing games to be played in a shorter time. First, there should be a ruleset for determining the “winner” of regular games that have to be called on time. Second, there should be a ruleset for playing a shorter game.
I agree with everybody get rid of victory cities because they are arbitrary. Hitler didn’t start his war to capture “cities” he wanted to conquer nations in Europe and had no connection to what Japan was doing insofar as japan was also fighting German enemies.
So naturally Historical victory conditions go in place. Then everybody can win as a nation and not as a team. And then you wont have to keep having one person play 3 nations as one.
You might even have games where its just japan against USA or Germany and Italy against Soviets and UK. That will reduce this time thing
But all Axis followed by All Allies is the best solution ( AARHE)
@Imperious:
I agree with everybody get rid of victory cities because they are arbitrary. Hitler didn’t start his war to capture “cities” he wanted to conquer nations in Europe and had no connection to what Japan was doing insofar……
Now if my memory serve me well I do belive we discussed nation specific winning conditions in this thread, my Hun “friend” ( I’ll never forget what your granny did to my granny) :
http://www.harrisgamedesign.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=467&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Bitte erinderen ?
:|
For tourneyment play, I like the sudden death victory conditions that are in Risk.
Each player secretly draws a sudden death victory condition card for there country, let’s say their are five for each country for arguements sake.
The first player to achieve their victory conditions, wins. No chance for their opponent to break them, with one more player turn, it is over, period. The winner moves on to the next round, :lol: and the loser, goes to find another game to play. :cry:
Reprinted from Feb 17 2005:
This is what hes talking about and i fully agree with these points except it needs work for Italian military objectives.
Since this as an advanced game for adult gamers, not only the combat rules, but also the winning conditions must reflect real ww2 as close as possible. To just capture most winning point cities will make a balanced and beautiful “Build an Empire” game, but it will not reflect ww2 in a historical correct nor justified way.
Since the allies and the axis had different war goals , this must be implemented in the winning conditions of this game too.
AXIS WIN
*The axis player that first reach his “Empire building” goals, end the game and are the individual winner.
*The German player must occupy all territories from France to Ural. This was the historical “Lebensraum” goal. (12 territories)
*The Italian player must occupy all territories that once was part of the Roman Empire. (12 territories)
*The Japanese player must occupy all territories in Pacific and E.Asia. (12 territories)ALLIES WIN
*When the allied players have eliminated Hitler, Mussolini and Hirohito (new plastic pieces, or tokens at least), the game end. This reflect the Nuremberg Trials to the war criminal leaders that committed genocide. Once a leader is eliminated, his country is out of the war.
*UK and USA win as a team, since their war goal was “Status que ante bellum”. They got 1 victory point for each liberated neutral minor.
*Soviet win individually. Her war goal was world communism, and she got 1 victory point for each occupied neutral minor or axis territory.This differentiated winning conditions will reflect the history more correct, do remember that one purpose of this game are to remember history. This is advanced, it don’t need to be balanced. I don’t think it will be too complicated either.
I love the all Allied Turn and all Axis Turn. They can fight as allies, but win individually. Team victories are boring, much more fun to back-stabb your allies. Also Tournaments need individual winners.
@Imperious:
I agree with everybody get rid of victory cities because they are arbitrary. Hitler didn’t start his war to capture “cities” he wanted to conquer nations in Europe and had no connection to what Japan was doing insofar as japan was also fighting German enemies.
So naturally Historical victory conditions go in place. Then everybody can win as a nation and not as a team. And then you wont have to keep having one person play 3 nations as one.
Its not that bad. The victory cities are inside territories/nations so it does so some of what you said.
But of course I still like individual victory for the diplomacy aspect. More human interactions.
