My family does Christmas Eve, not Christmas Day. (Hey, according to the Bible, Jesus was born at night, not at high noon! :P Shepards tend their flocks by NIGHT, right?)
Anyway, I’ll probably NOT be posting here starting tomorrow late morning/early afternoon, while I work on cooking and baking, etc, etc, etc.
If you want to be according to the Bible, then there should be no Santa Claus or Christmas trees because those are both pagan. Furthermore, would the shepherds really be out at night when it’s that cold? And where is it in the Bible that says we should have one specific day a year to commemorate His birth - is it not His death that we declare above all?
Believe me, we celebrate Easter a lot stronger then Christ Mass.
However, the Christ Mass Tree is decorated with Apples instead of ornaments to represent the apple of eden. :P
And yes, Jesus was probably born in the late spring or summer, not the dead of winter. But this is when the ID10Ts celebrate a holiday, so we do it now to fit in. :P
:-P
Hope you have a good holiday anyways :lol:
something interesting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_truce
-and just to relate to previous posts
Santa Claus is purely paganic product or however you wish to call and has nothing with the true meaning of Christmass while the Christmass three is a traditional symbol of Christmass
yes i got that movie. Not bad. Kinda Anti-war if your into that sort of thing.
@Cmdr:
Believe me, we celebrate Easter a lot stronger then Christ Mass.
However, the Christ Mass Tree is decorated with Apples instead of ornaments to represent the apple of eden. :P
And yes, Jesus was probably born in the late spring or summer, not the dead of winter. But this is when the ID10Ts celebrate a holiday, so we do it now to fit in. :P
Someone had the right idea by incorporating pagan holidays with Christian ones to promote Christianity for the masses. There is so much influence on Christian holidays by other faiths, and can be seen simply by noting when they occur.
Santa Claus was Saint Nicholas, a Christian.
The Fir Tree brought into the homes in the winter for the festival began pagan, then it became Christian with the addition of apples to decorate it, then it became Victorian when Queen Victoria had a decorated tree with ornaments then it became “tradition as always” from that moment forward.
The Yule Tree (a Pagan tradition for millenia among the Germanic peoples) was introduced to Christianity by Martin Luther and those who supported and followed him.
Martin Luther was seeking a way to draw support for his break with the Catholic Church and chose to include the Yule Tree (which by that time had strong “nationalist” style support among the various Germanic peoples) as part of Christmas instead of just being used for Solstice. The Yule Tree (which was popular throughout northern Europe) becoming a Christmas Tree as part of the Protestant Reformation is probably the last great melding of Pagan and Christian symbology that had been occurring for 1500 years.
Because of its fairly recent adoption into Christianity, it is still regarded as “heathenish” by many of the more fundamentalist Christian sects and denominations.
:-)
Greetings and my most heartfelt Christ Mass wishes for one and all! :-D
Tree or no tree, it is the celibration of the birth of the Son of God that we must remember, and be thankful for. All else is comercial profiteering.
It is the side show that has overshadowed the main event, much like the circus has taken over the events from the old Gladiator and Knights tourneyments of the past.
As long as we remember why he came, to save us from our sins,(read, John 3:16) all else is just frilly shiney wrappings on the joy of our salvation!
I pray for Peace and Gods Will in you and your loved ones, to the ending of the world, and beyond.
Respectfully,
Daniel R.
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Actually the whole Christmas thing has overshadowed the celebration of the Winter Solstice (which was on December 25 on the Julian Calendar, but due to cumulative errors in the Julian Callendar has shifted to be several days earlier on the more accurate Gregorian Calendar).
Longest Night of the Year. After which, the light begins to return to the world (especially true for those folks living in the more northern stretches of Europe, Asia and North America). Celebrating Christ’s Birth on the winter solstice makes even less sense than having Easter set as “The first Sunday after the first Full Moon of Spring.” Now THAT is purely Pagan thinking if ever there was any! :-D
@Cmdr:
Santa Claus was Saint Nicholas, a Christian.
as far as i know its simply not true
Santa Claus first came up with communists, they couldnt stand still when christians celebrated Christmass so they offered alternative, some human which bring gifts instead of Little Jesus
then Coca-Cola accepted this for commercial reasons and popularized it all over the word
and coincidence or not as far as i know coca-cola owner, or majority shares holder is a Jew, and majority of Jews cant stand with Christmas or any other purely Christian or purely muslim or even ˝joint˝ holiday
in my country when its Saint Nicholases day( 6.of December ) the children receive gifts from a man wearing red-white clothes, with bishop hat, staff and priest cloak
its organized in schools, churches and little children clean and polish their boots and put before sleep and once they get up in the morning they find lots of sweets and some gifts( which their parents put there )
but Santa Claus( Granndpa Christmass )-translated from my language is purely antichristian product
in some big cities of Austria and Bavaria on Winter Markets in the center of the city, the Santa Claus is boicoted from sellers, and there are only˝Little Jesus˝ and other chrisitan figures, statues and sweets to be sold
please correct me if i am wrong
since i would like to understand this issue better
since this Santa( Saint ) confuses me a little bit
and speaking of paganity among Christians
there is no such in official things
Church has just adopted, or rearanged some customs of old and practices them today, for example ancient romans prayed to their Gods few times a year for a good harvest. Catholic Church( maybe Orthodox and protestant too i am dont know ) has few times in year when we pray to God to give us that our crops ˝go well˝ and that land gives us many fruits and at the same time we thank to God
-in Rome for example there is a church called Panteon-its an octogon( 8 sided shape ) which was in Roman times place where they ve done their paganic rituals, and prayed to their gods, today its a catholic church, and the building isnt changed at all, its just the altar is added and Tabernakul( place where the Corpus Christi is keped )
so the Church didnt want to sotonize the previous cultures, on the contrary the Church wants to adapt( some of the ) the customs of nations and cultures where it is present, for example in Africa they have little drums, and sing loudly( almost dance ) which isnt typical for Catholic liturgy of the West
when one Polish saint whent to Japan he was writing excellent articals in a magazine which he was owning, the articals were great but very emotional, one Japanese priest told him that Japanese are ˝tough˝ and not so lean to show emotions so they would like to hear about the same ˝Things˝ but in a different way
afcorse each of us is ˝his own˝ and doesnt need to renounce himself, but at the same time we should rescpect the customs and traditions of others…its just we need to mantain some how to say balance-i dont have the better word, in the same time respecting others as different in a diversity of traditions and cultures but still be your own
ok, i ve astrayed a bit here
all the best to everyone
˝Christmas is always
when a human child finds love,
motherly, fatherly home.
Christmas is always
when a man opens his legs and hands
for the people in need.
Christmas is always
when people forgive each other.˝
if i ve hurt anyone in anything here on this forum in i plead for forgiveness
Amon,
Santa Clause started in Scandinavia, not Russia. It was named after Saint Nicholas.
Switch,
The Yule Tree was burned for 12 days. The Christmas tree is decorated. Slight difference, eh? Christmas Trees were from the Germanics, so in that I agree they have a pagan heritage, but they were not decorated, so they were basically just a tree in the home, kinda like a fig tree one might find growing in someone’s house. :P
As for Easter, dunno why it was set like it was. I don’t think they tried to set it over a pagan holiday to get the pagans to integrate easier. But they might have.
You are confusing the Yule Tree and the Yule Log when you speak of burning…
@Cmdr:
As for Easter, dunno why it was set like it was. I don’t think they tried to set it over a pagan holiday to get the pagans to integrate easier. But they might have.
LOL, if you want to know about the Easter origins, think about pagans and bunnies and eggs… And spring time…
Eggs are in Easter because they are born twice like Jesus. Once when they are laid, once when they hatch. It’s a stretch, but no more so then the Moon being a sentient being. :P
@Cmdr:
Eggs are in Easter because they are born twice like Jesus. Once when they are laid, once when they hatch. It’s a stretch, but no more so then the Moon being a sentient being. :P
Lol
think about it… Eggs were to symbolize the fertility of springtime.
Might as well say stockings are hung on the wall to represent Jesus’ feet dangling from the cross.
LMAO @ Stockings
Maybe that’s how it was in the pagan days, but when the death of Christ and his rising from the dead were made into a holiday, that’s the justification the Church gave it.
