If you build an AC or 2 transports on G1, the allies can both buy air and sink you unified navy in sz7 on UK2 and US2. If you really want to mess with the Allies in the Atlantic, you might want to try one of the following strategies (though they do come at a cost):
bid a sub in sz8 and kill the sz2 navy on G1 (you can combine this with a naval purchase on G1 and foregoing Egypt, sending the sz 14 fleet to sz 13, if you have the nerve) Buy something like bomber, fig, 5 inf or bomber, 8 inf and move your navy to sz 7 (add the sub in sz 8 or a possible bid unit for added effect). Because of the extra bomber, the UK will be hard-pressed to unify in sz 8 and hitting 5+ units in sz 7 is not really attractive either.Nit picky German Economizer
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Look, I totally agree that it was premature to move into Ukraine. It was a bad move. All I’m saying is that I normally wouldn’t have done it. It was a lapse in judgment.
And further I’m saying that if I hadn’t done it, the Allies were in a pretty good position.
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They were in a respectable position. I don’t know if I’d say “good” position. You were letting Japan become a monster, IMHO.
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WHAT??? How so? Japan still did not have a solid hold on India, and it’s biggest forces were in Bury and Manchuria!!!
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@Ender:
WHAT??? How so? Japan still did not have a solid hold on India, and it’s biggest forces were in Bury and Manchuria!!!
According to my map, Japan had India, had a very large contingent of infantry and armor for this early in teh game, owned nearly everything in it’s field of vision and was ready to start unloading into Africa.
Especially once the Russian army was destroyed in Ukraine and there was nothing but a dozen infantry and a few tanks left to stand in their way!
They didn’t have Sinkiang, but you were forced to retreat out. But they had India. 1 Armor sitting on it.
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@Ender:
WHAT??? How so? Japan still did not have a solid hold on India, and it’s biggest forces were in Bury and Manchuria!!!
According to my map, Japan had India, had a very large contingent of infantry and armor for this early in teh game, owned nearly everything in it’s field of vision and was ready to start unloading into Africa.
I said “solid hold on India”. Japan was about to lose India again - UK had 2 Armor in Caucasus, and several air units in range as well. I would happily send in 2 tanks to keep Japan from producing a factory in India for one more round. In terms of unloading to Africa, you only had 4 or 5 transports, 3 or 4 of which you needed to move units from Japan, your only factory.
Especially once the Russian army was destroyed in Ukraine and there was nothing but a dozen infantry and a few tanks left to stand in their way!
Umm, you’ll notice I said “I’m saying that if I hadn’t done it, the Allies were in a pretty good position.” So PRIOR to the Ukraine move, the Allies were in a pretty good position. After, it was obviously NOT as good.
They didn’t have Sinkiang, but you were forced to retreat out. But they had India. 1 Armor sitting on it.How long do the Allies normally hang on to Sinkiang? J2 or J3 is pretty normal for Japan to take Sinkiang. You were only going to take it in J5, and without me losing a single unit there.
So if you think the Allies were in a good position BEFORE my Ukraine move, let’s play it out from that point.
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I dont know about your games, I’ve successfully held Sinkiang until the fall of Germany before. It’s more economical to hold Sinkiang then Novosibirsk + Kazakh. Not for the least because that’s +4 IPC for Russia a round and territory that doesn’t need garrison.
My normal loss of Sinkiang? Probably around Japan 5 or 6 is when it falls. And not because the armies are defeated, but because I pull out so they won’t be defeated. Next fall back line is going to be Russia because at that point, Evenki, Novosibirsk and Kazakh are too many spots to protect at once.
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Is this memorable game archived somewhere, preferably in TripleA ?
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Here’s the game: http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=10374.105 , and uploaded is a Battlemap file of the game at the end of Russia 5. Now with one change to the map (Russia’s stack in WRus instead of Ukraine) I think you’ll agree that the Allies were in pretty good shape.
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Yea, what he is forgetting is the Russian stack was obliterated by the Germans putting the entire Allied offensive in very serious question, especially since he had nothing left to defend against Japan or Germany.
He’ll try to say if he knew I was going to attack it then he wouldn’t have moved it in range. But that’s an invalid argument. He knew there was a chance I would attack it and he did not know at the time it was going to be my last move in the game, but decided to move there anyway because he thought I’d be too afraid to attack it.
Heck, if we want to go back in time of the game, I could go back to Russia 1 before it moved and say “Look at the Axis, they are in a very strong position!”
But that’s not feasible just like cherry picking a frame from the middle of the game and changing some moves to prevent what actually happened from happening is feasible.
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Look, it’s a fact that you have funny ideas about dice.
It’s also a fact that you got lucky in your attack on Ukraine. With average luck, BOTH of us would have had our stacks eliminated.
However, I’ve said all along that my move into Ukraine was a mistake. Just because I’m better than you doesn’t mean I’m perfect. :wink:
What’s your point? I agree, Russia was in bad shape after G5. My point is that it was ONE mistake, and that prior to that, I was doing very well. I say we have a re-match, this time no prescribed openings, just mono a mono.
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I have only read teh last couple of pages of Ender and Jenn duking it out. so I appoligeze if my comment makes no sense. My take on the Karelia blitz is this. This is assuming Russia takes both terrortories back rd. 2
Archangle 2 ipc for Germany
Kareliia 2 ipc for Germany
3/6 tank hit * 3 ipc = 1.5 ipc- 5 for loss of tank
Therefore teh blitz gives Germany a .5 ipc advantage in German favour. It also forces the Russians to divert forces to the north. so i say it is good for Germany to blitz. gives russia more to deal with and u no economic hurt. actually its is a -1 ipc advantage or a 2 ipc advantage for Germany.
- 5 for loss of tank
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You can’t really count the 2 IPCs for Karelia because Germany can get those without sacrificing the tank. The question is whether it is worth putting the tank into archangel for the ADDITIONAL 2 IPCs.n
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I think it is more situtaioall then. Is worth risking 3 ipcs or 0 ipc loss to draw forces off another russian attack. so you would have to see if archangel could stop russia from attacking something else or give u better odds in another battle. SO it all depends on the results of R1.
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I think it is more situtaioall then. Is worth risking 3 ipcs or 0 ipc loss to draw forces off another russian attack. so you would have to see if archangel could stop russia from attacking something else or give u better odds in another battle. SO it all depends on the results of R1.
17 pages to reach this conclusion…. gads! :|
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I think it is more situtaioall then. Is worth risking 3 ipcs or 0 ipc loss to draw forces off another russian attack. so you would have to see if archangel could stop russia from attacking something else or give u better odds in another battle. SO it all depends on the results of R1.
17 pages to reach this conclusion…. gads! :|
Esp. as that’s not the actual conclusion - the blitz doesn’t really draw forces off of any other Russian attack. Russia can take Archangel with just ground forces from Moscow, thus not affecting the battles in Ukraine / Belo / Karelia. The only way for Germany to change this would be to try to put as big a stack in Karelia as possible, so that Russian Armor would be exposed if it moved into Archangel w/ just 1-2 Inf as fodder.
But even with that, I think Russia might have enough to then wipe out that Karelia stack. Haven’t analyzed that though.
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@Ender:
Look, it’s a fact that you have funny ideas about dice.
It’s also a fact that you got lucky in your attack on Ukraine. With average luck, BOTH of us would have had our stacks eliminated.
However, I’ve said all along that my move into Ukraine was a mistake. Just because I’m better than you doesn’t mean I’m perfect. :wink:
What’s your point? I agree, Russia was in bad shape after G5. My point is that it was ONE mistake, and that prior to that, I was doing very well. I say we have a re-match, this time no prescribed openings, just mono a mono.
It’s also a fact that you got lucky in most of your attacks and defenses. With average luck, you would never have been earning in the 30’s with Russia but rather would have been relegated to the low twenties, maybe the upper teens or less with strategic bombing raids. :P
We can do a regular match. I won’t call it a rematch since you don’t want to test anything and you, presumably, want to play to the death/surrender. :)
Only caveats I would have to our game is:
Battlemap
AA.org dicey system (so results can be viewable)
Blind Bid 100% placement, but we can use frood.net for the bid if you want.Can even make it a league game. :P
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Blind bid 100% means no saving any cash?
I’d really prefer triplea, if the dice server works.
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100% means you can put 100% on the board or 0% or anything in between. basically, not a FIDA bid, they’re dumb IMHO.
And I have yet to get tripleA to function.
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I think it is more situtaioall then. Is worth risking 3 ipcs or 0 ipc loss to draw forces off another russian attack. so you would have to see if archangel could stop russia from attacking something else or give u better odds in another battle. SO it all depends on the results of R1.
That means everyone who agreed with me is right - it’s not a good normal move to make. It’s a situational one that depends on bad luck of the Russians, it has no merit otherwise.
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The biggest reason you can’t count Karelia in the blitz is because Germany has to leave an infantry in Karelia, anyway. Otherwise, you risk a Russian armor blitz to Norway/infantry block in Karelia, 1 fighter+some inf each going to Belo/Ukr, and 1 infantry+all other Russian armor to Arch. In that case, if the UK kills the Baltic TP, Russia will collect on Norway for the rest of the game. Might as well just take Karelia with an inf and be done with it.
And Bean, I’ll get around to responding in our discussion. Keep forgetting about it. Got my mind on the tourney.
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