What is the better game ?

[Adlertag]

Wich of this game is the best, I only have money to buy one

The Wargame cost $ 120, but I dont like the art in Atlantic Sea
WWII: The Struggle cost $ 200 and you only got a map, $ 1.120,- if you want pieces too
Xeno cost $ 30, but the pieces are noob looking
The designer of New Global Variant is on “Give the man a break”-vacation
and have IL ever made an advanced game ?

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[Flashman]

I can’t vote 'cause the Global War map photo refuses to load.  If you can point me the way of a useable map scan I’ll cast my vote.

All I can find is this:

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7113/axisandalliesglobalwarmqc2.jpg

which I assume has been superceeded by a much more accurate version, but what is the latest?

[Ddraiglais]

WW II: The Struggle is waaayy too expensive. I thought The War Game showed promise. You seem to be hesitating on WaW because of the miniatures. That’s the big reason why I won’t buy The War Game. All of the miniatures are for one country (different colors, but they’re all Germans). I’m not ready to drop that much money on a game that was halfway done. Get WaW. Don’t settle with just the WaW rules. Take what you like from all of the A&A games and create your own.

[Imperious Leader]

WaW?

You mean world at war by Xeno?

[Adlertag]

@Imperious:

WaW?

You mean world at war by Xeno?

Yes indeed, WaW is an advanced game with a big map.

[Imperious Leader]

Dude that game has lots of issues. Typos, run on sentences, etc… Its basically the milton bradley map with a couple of territories split in half.

[Guest]

I have not played Xeno Games World at War, but I have worked with Pacific at War.  I agree that the units could use a lot of work, but the Pacific at War game has some good ideas, and the use of eight-sided dice is a definite plus.  The Revised Edition of Axis and Allies is a more polished game, but it has its  own quirks.  If you want polished, go with Axis and Allies Revised, but Xeno is a good option.

[dezrtfish]

Well I own both Xeno W@W and The War Game.  I paid $15 for Xeno at a second hand store, and $120 for The War Game.  I think they are both worth what I paid for them.

[Flashman]

@Imperious:

Dude that game has lots of issues. Typos, run on sentences, etc… Its basically the milton bradley map with a couple of territories split in half.

You mentioned once that Xeno asked you to work on the next version.  Will that involve a clean slate to start with a real map, or is it just a case of tarting up their current version?
For example do you have license to put Moscow in Europe, which is pretty fundamental to how the game plays.  And to what extent is the map dependent on the rules; if capturing Moscow is all important you might HAVE to put the Russian capital in Siberia.

[Imperious Leader]

I will be contracted to do whatever i am told. If i have any say then the map will be 100% accurate based on all my old 1939 published map files and atlas. I can only say that it will be a supreme creative effort and it will not be another rinky dink map that i have seen them make before.

[Flashman]

A confession - my A&A map was based on a map by Der Panzinator which was based on WAW.  That’s why so much of the geography was skewed.  Of course I widened the oceans, but hopefully all will be put right in my new version.

[Adlertag]

@Flashman:

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7113/axisandalliesglobalwarmqc2.jpg

This map is perfect, but how do I print it out in full size ?

[Flashman]

Perfect?  No, man.  And why is Fezzan now called Libya and German?  Or is your link an earlier version?

http://www.harrisgamedesign.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1443&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=24

Don’t know printing, man.

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[Adlertag]

You did not answer my question about printing, now I see why you have bad karma

[Guest]

Given the size of the map, approximately 4 feet by 2 feet, or 1.2 meters by 0.6 meters, you may have to put in on a CD disk and take it to a printer or print shop to have it printed on large paper.  I would also recommend that you laminate it as well.  It does appear to be a very good map.

[Weekend Gamer]

@Imperious:

I will be contracted to do whatever i am told. If i have any say then the map will be 100% accurate based on all my old 1939 published map files and atlas. I can only say that it will be a supreme creative effort and it will not be another rinky dink map that i have seen them make before.

You mean the same “rinky dink” map that Revised basically rips off, at least as to Europe?  Yes, Xeno’s W@W definitely has issues, not the least of which is it’s EXTREMELY hard to win as the Axis against any competent Allied player.  Not that that’s unrealistic, it just hurts playability because you get sick of the same side winning (almost) every game.  But W@W has some pretty cool futures, and it is based on, and only slightly more complex than, A&A Revised Second Edition.  Some features I like include the country-specific units, such as Panzers for Germany, Russian Guards for Russia and Marines for the U.S. that have their own attack and defense values.  W@W also introduced the paratrooper unit, AND the Cruiser unit, which again Revised rips off with the Destroyer unit, which basically serves the same purpose.  W@W may not be a truly “polished” game – the special rules applicable to capturing certain capitals are damn confusing and vague, and in the case of the Russian capital just plain unfair IMO – but for the money, you get a lot.  A few house rules is all you need to clean up the glitches.  W@W is about a eight to ten hour playout with players who know what they are doing.  If you get much more “realistic” than that, you can measure the length of the game with a sundial!  :lol:

I have also purchased, but never played, Europe at War.  Some very interesting rules, but VERY complicated.  For example, air units are divided into “tactical air” and air cap, which makes for some interesting rules interpretations issues and probably a very long playout.  But I will give Frank Zenau (his real name) credit – he’s one creative guy (if a little grammatically challenged).

[Imperious Leader]

Rinky-Dink refers to the aesthetic of the maps artwork. The game is okay except with its grammer issues and such. I am not fond of the tech system but i am only making a 1st class map and not retooling the game.

[tekkyy]

Well, in my opinon W@W mainly just a set of diplomactic house rule.

Imperious, would you make a true area true timeline map?
True size continents and oceans. Europe and Pacifc at the spot in time.

[Flashman]

I really don’t think true area maps work for A&A, certainly not a world version.  Even if you make a HUGE map to produce a reasonably sized Europe, you still get vast areas of south America and Africa which see very little action.  A real world scale is OK for Risk, but little else.

[Imperious Leader]

would you make a true area true timeline map?
True size continents and oceans. Europe and Pacifc at the spot in time.

please elaborate.