AA14 - Let's make it happen!

@Brain:

We could come up with a simple set of rules based on Triple A

Okay I looked at the TripleA site and this is what they had:

Infantry    1-2-1-3
Cavalry     1-1-2-4
Artillery     2-2-1-4
Fighter      3-3-3-8
Zeppelin    1-1-6-10
Transport   0-1-2-12
Submarine  2-2-2-7
Destroyer   2-2-2-6
Cruiser       3-3-2-9
BattleCruiser 4-4-2-12
Battleship   4-4-2-18
AAGun       0-0-1-5
Factory     0-0-0-12

We could start with these numbers and make modifications after some debating, as well as discuss each pieces individual characteristics.

There is no mention of sea mines or tanks.

I think tanks,aircraft carriers, and AA guns should be tech.

I am not sure about orange for the Ottoman Empire what does their control marker look like, I guess we would need a national control marker for them as well as Ausria.

No one is going to buy cavalry if they cost 4. they should cost 3.
Artillery should become really important weapons. They should cost 5 and  attack and defend like subs with pre-combat attack roles.
Fighters, i think either there attack or defence should be reduced to 2, just to show how they were not that decisive early on. The movement should be interesting. THey should have a spoting ability for artillery
Zepplins had huge range, i would say increase it to eight. THey should also have a spoting ability for ships
Subs and trans should be as per AA50, except make transports cost 10 too show how hard amphibious assualt were.

I like the stats for destroyers and crusiers, though  the crusier peice should have its named changed to light crusier.
Get rid of the battleship and battlecrusier piece. Replace it with the Dreadnaught unit which is exactly like a regular battleship, except it costs 18.

I dont like the AAgun, and factories should be printed on the map.

Sea mines should cost 6 and can be placed on the border of a sea zone by a destroyer, if enemy ships cross it it, the sea mine works like an defends like an AA gun normally would. an enemy destroyer can disable sea mines on a roll of 1.

I also dont like the idea of the western front blow up box, its problamatic to have different scales with the same rules governing them. Like AA50 enlarges Europe, the western front should just be enlarged in this game. I think each turn is going to represent 6+ months, so the western front blowup box in tripleA is too detailed.

Tanks should attack at 4, defened at 1, and have 1 movement, cost 5.

Aircraft carries should just be an tech upgrade for light crusiers.

We also need rules for Chemical Warfare, storm troopers, and really all the other tech developments.

Emperor_Taiki you made some good points there.

I think we need to discuss this game project one aspect at a time or else we will be all over the place and will not get things accomplished as fast as if we do it in a more organized fashion.

Since the actual forces(game pieces) are what seems to be on everybody’s mind, let’s start with those.

And to further narrow down the discussion, let’s start with land pieces:

Infantry 1-2-1-3 and behaves basically like any other AA game.
Cavalry  1-1-2-4 and has blitzing capabilities. I know that you disagree with the cost but I think with the blitzing capability and faster movement other people, at least I would, will be willing to pay the extra cost.
Artillery 2-2-1-4, makes infantry more powerful like AA, I think if we raise the cost to 5, then tanks would have to cost 6
Tanks  4-1-1-5 do we want this to be a tech or a regular unit.
AAGun  0-0-1-5 this could be a tech roll, or we could eliminate it, if it is eliminatedwe will definitely need an intercept/escort rule in my opinion.

We can discuss air and naval pieces after we get these issues hammered out.

We need to get as many opinions on this as possible because we are trying to design a game that most people will enjoy not just a few of us. Notice I said most because we wont be able to please everyone all the time not even ourselves.

If we take away the blitz property and yet still allow a movement of 2. Are you saying that the cavalry can move through 2 friendly territories, but cannot move through 2 unoccupied enemy territories and would instead have to stop to occupy the first territory even though there are no enemy forces present?

Interesting thread.
An Axis and Allies-style “Dr. Pepper and Dorritos” World War I game would be great!
The key thing to remember, as was mentioned before, is to keep the game simple and not too time-consuming.

I have 2 proposed land/air units charts for consideration.

Chart 1 - a little cheaper IPC cost

Infantry  1-1-1-2 - Infantry troops were the main units of the war, I believe even more so than in World War II, so this justifies their reduced cost.  The infantry were not extremely effective though, so I dropped their defense to 1.

Cavalry  1-1-2-3 - No blitzing and no special attack rules for simplicity’s sake.

Artillery  2-2-1-4 - Use the “Surprise Strike” rule from AA50, they get preemptive shots every round, but this can be nullified by the enemy having a fighter in the battle.  They do not increase infantry units attack.

Fighter    2-2-3-6 - No special rules other than that they nullify the artillery’s preemptive shot.  After a map is made up, then we can decide if 3 movement is too little.

Zeppelin  1-1-6-10- No special rules.  Actually I don’t know a lot about Zeppelins, so I bow to y’alls knowledge in this area.

Chart 2 - a more comparable to regular Axis and Allies IPC cost

Infantry  1-2-1-3 - No special rules.

Cavalry  2-1-2-4 - No blitzing and no special attack rules for simplicity’s sake.

Artillery  2-2-1-5 - Use the “Surprise Strike” rule from AA50, they get preemptive shots every round, but this can be nullified by the enemy having a fighter in the battle.  They do not increase infantry units attack.

Fighter    3-3-3-8 - No special rules other than that they nullify the artillery’s preemptive shot.  After a map is made up, then we can decide if 3 movement is too little.

Zeppelin  1-1-6-10- No special rules.  Actually I don’t know a lot about Zeppelins, so I bow to y’alls knowledge in this area.

For aa and tanks, I agree with the majority that they should both be technological advances.

I believe Zeppelins were used for bombing and spotting, thus the zeppelin could take on the strategic bombing role and perhaps if we ant a spotting rule they could increase the comat value of artillery  or AAguns if they are used.

http://www.mediafire.com/?ttny4vzydyl

WOW Imperious Leader that looks like a great game. I think it was mentioned earlier that somebody wanted something even more simple. What does the board look like? And where can I get the pieces to play it. Has this game been extensively play tested?

see the link. use the game to formulate new ideas.

Its basically perfectly balanced for about 4 years now.

Where is the WWI Map link?

Here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?y2fwktwmz3l
http://www.mediafire.com/?0nmmwbgjeyw

I have seen that map before. It looks great. How much for a mounted one?

I don’t know ask your printer.

It’s for free download and i don’t sell these

I don’t know ask your printer.

It’s for free download and i don’t sell these

I thought that you sold gameboards on your website.

I don’t sell this even though i created it. I did it for people who want a WW1 game but could not make a decent one themselves. Pro bono work for AA community. Thats all.

It’s a complete game all you need to do is buy pieces. And they make them

I don’t sell this even though i created it. I did it for people who want a WW1 game but could not make a decent one themselves. Pro bono work for AA community. Thats all.

No wonder your karma is so high. I hope that life treats you well.

It’s a complete game all you need to do is buy pieces. And they make them

Where do I get the pieces, which pieces do I need, how many do I need with and without the use of chips?

give me a few on this. It will take time to get this info.

@Adlertag:

Well first issue, USA dont need nation specific pieces, since they joined the war only a few weeks befor it ended, and they even used British looking uniforms and helmets.

You are thinking of making a world war I game without USA included? That’s insane.

US declared war on 6 April 1917, and sent 4 million men into combat suffering 205,690 casualties before winning the war on 11 November, 1918

That’s 19 months at war. You should probably revisit your history books there kid.