German buys turn one

@Imperious:

Ok first of all we are assuming the Soviets do this:

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I havent always agreed with Crazystraw. Over time, I’ve come to respect him. But just like I’ve said to you, (and him) writing a “paper” on this stuff will only bring problems. You will be misleading people, as your assumptions about the best/risky moves would be flawed. The moves listed will contain many assumptions, many of which could be wrong and countered.

By your own admission, you dont understand Crazy’s “channel” moves. It seems to me you should read those papers. But even then, you are going to be hard pressed to come up with a comprehensive paper of any sort which will definitavely answer what is best. Because what is best varies based upon those too many factors I’ve said before.

I dont want to see you fruitlessly waste your time. Which is what this project will ultimately be.

@squirecam:

@jsp4563:

@squirecam:

If I’m not otherwise committed, Im more than happy to play you there. {Crazystraw, Yoper, V-Disc, and several others are on my list.}

But I’m more concerned about settling this debate now. You stated that it was easy to block. Did you have any other potential blocking moves??

If you conceed the point on London vs the fleet, then thats fine too.

Not sure what the “greg’s spring gathering” is, If it’s a FTF then it’s not likely I can be there.  If you want to play online…then this is the place.  If you think your strategy is a winning one then step up.  I guarantee you won’t get london or merge your fleet on G2.  :-D

1 - Yes, its FTF

2 - You’ve already “guaranteed” that.

3 - You asked me for my moves.

4 - I gave them, asked for your block

5 - The block that you gave cost you London.

6 - Since you have now publically boasted twice, I want to see it. Tell it to me, right now. Dont just say its unlikely that you cant meet FTF. You said it was SIMPLE and you’d tell me about it. So please put it here in black and white.

{FWIW, I said “usually” because there is one block that can be done, but which requires forsight and the absolute knowledge of the future.}

Then let’s settle it here and now, online. I’ll set up the thread. LHTR, No Tech, No NA’s.

@jsp4563:

Then let’s settle it here and now, online. I’ll set up the thread. LHTR, No Tech, No NA’s.

No dude. I gave you the moves. You said you had a simple counter. Post the counter, like you said you could.

If its so simple, what’s stopping you???

Because as several folks have said, there are too many assumptions relative to that move.

It has to be seen in total strategic context in order to properly evaluate it.  The North Sea is not a vacuum, nor can a strat in it be tested in a vacuum.

@Imperious:

Considering that the Soviets attack/conquer west russia and belorussia as part of their standard opening i have been tinkering with the solution to solve what would be the best thing for germany on turn one. Many people buy that carrier and 8 infantry on G1, but i am thinking about other choices.

1. A battleship would cost 24 IPC which takes 2 hits and can use its attack for shore bombardment against western E, Finland, and Leningrad. This can pay for the extra cost in a few turns. The planes would be freed up to help defend more vital areas. In the long run its probably not a good idea to use planes to defend the fleet. Also if the allies attacked this fleet and things went bad you can take the battleship as a loss and save another piece that would otherwise be sunk.

2. buy two destroyers which give you two threes and keep your fighters used for land defence and out of harms way.

3. ignore the baltic fleet and wait and see buying only land units unless UK moves her ships in for the kill.

4. try to leave the baltic and join the fleet in the medd–- “The channel dash”

which if these plans do you favor and why. My intention is to make a strategy guide with all the standard plays for each player.

Destroyers boo.  Rationale, destroyers are totally useless in the ground war against Russia, and building navy like that forces Germany to race UK and US for navy.

Rest OK, a bit tricky for some but sound.

The option of 1-2 TRNs for the Baltic on G1 has been left out I notice…

@ncscswitch:

Because as several folks have said, there are too many assumptions relative to that move.

It has to be seen in total strategic context in order to properly evaluate it.  The North Sea is not a vacuum, nor can a strat in it be tested in a vacuum.

Dont answer for him Switch.

HE said it was simple.

HE said if I posted my buy and told him where the units were, he could easily show me the block.

Both of his posted blocks cost him London.

If you boast that you can post a simple move, then do so. Or otherwise, respectfully, keep your mouth shut.

I only posted because I myself have fallen victim to the vacuum strat discussion before.  It is not a valid or viable means of discussing a strat.

@squirecam:

@jsp4563:

Then let’s settle it here and now, online. I’ll set up the thread. LHTR, No Tech, No NA’s.

No dude. I gave you the moves. You said you had a simple counter. Post the counter, like you said you could.

If its so simple, what’s stopping you???

Typical bully, when confronted you back down.  If you’re so convinced that you’re right why not prove it.  The thread is open, or are you not man enough to stand up to a challenge?

I am not likely to be Germany for the Cahnnel Dash demo.

I am in JSP’s corner in terms of ability to block/thwart it (which is the one major argument CS and I have had on these forums).

The facts are pretty simple in terms of a Channel Dash, or a Sea Lion attempt…

If Germany invests heavilly in navy, so will UK, and the US will move to reinforce London.  Yes, it will cost UK income in Africa, but the Russians will counter in Central Europe and the German Navy ends up as scenery in the fish kingdom a round or 2 later.

The ONLY way that those two moves work is if they are done somewhat covertly (minor navy buys) and with an Allied player who fails to see the risk.

And THAT my friends is why I inquired about why the 1-2 TRN purchase on G1 was not listed in the potential G1 buys above.

I would build 2 trn, 1 bb or no navy at all.

IL, I think the idea of a strategy guide is terrific. I don’t envision its creation or my eventually reading it as being fruitless.

One of the first things someone said to me by way of advice when I was learning to play A&A (Classic) is, “Germany doesn’t get a navy.” He was sinking it at the time.

IL…

it is Sea Lion SCARE.

Make the Allies counter Sea Lion, then you take Africa and take all UK’s money away, forcing the UK to continue to help protect London.  Germany uses the extra cash to “Atlantic Wall” and smack the Russians around.  :evil:

Forgive me if I do not go in to details.

I have yet to be able to fully implement the concept I have in mind for Germany, and I may need it in the Tournament :-)