L24 PTV - Nikola1975 (axis +8) v Mikawagunichi

@mikawagunichi Yes, that was important for Japan.

Re victory conditions. I am reading that controlling 8 cities on European side counts as a victory for Axis. I understand that I should take 8 cities (with Kairo falling, that means one more - Moscow or Stalingrad), but holding them for one whole round? Means if Germany takes Stalingrad, they should hold it until start of next German turn?

Do I understand these correctly?

@mikawagunichi Hm, in that case, I am not sure if you are able to stop Axis win in Europe. If Italians take both Stalingrad and Kairo now, the counter starts.

Americans are not able to take London, Kairo will be pretty safe, and I believe Soviets will not be able to take back Stalingrad with German units going in?

Unless I am not seeing something obvious. We can play it through, of course, no problem, it’s still fun, especially with Japan under great pressure in the Pacific.

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 17

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 17

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Tambov to Stalingrad
        1 artillery moved from Northern Caucasus to Kazakhstan
        1 armour moved from Northern Caucasus to Stalingrad
        1 bomber moved from Ukraine to Kazakhstan
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Syria to Trans-Jordan
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Tobruk to 98 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 98 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone
        2 transports moved from 100 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Malta to 93 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 94 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Trans-Jordan
        2 fighters moved from 100 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
        1 fighter and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Alexandria to Trans-Jordan
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 100 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
        2 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
        1 fighter moved from Malta to Egypt

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in 93 Sea Zone
            Italians attack with 1 fighter and 1 submarine
            Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 fighter in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Italians lost in 93 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 93 Sea Zone
            Italians win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
            Casualties for Italians: 1 submarine
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
        Battle in Egypt
            Italians attack with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 5 infantry
            ANZAC defend with 1 fighter; Russians defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
                Italians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 5 infantry in Egypt, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 2.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter in Egypt, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the ANZAC lost in Egypt
            Italians win, taking Egypt from Russians with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10
            Casualties for ANZAC: 1 fighter
        Battle in Kazakhstan
            Italians attack with 1 artillery and 1 bomber
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 bomber in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Italians lost in Kazakhstan
                Italians roll dice for 1 bomber in Kazakhstan, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 bomber in Kazakhstan, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 bomber in Kazakhstan, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kazakhstan, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 bomber owned by the Italians lost in Kazakhstan
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Kazakhstan
            Russians win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -13
            Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 1 bomber
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Trans-Jordan
            Italians attack with 2 artilleries, 3 fighters, 4 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers
            Russians defend with 3 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Italians roll dice for 2 artilleries, 3 fighters, 4 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers in Trans-Jordan, round 2 : 6/13 hits, 5.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 3 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Trans-Jordan
                1 mech_infantry owned by the Russians, 2 infantry owned by the Russians and 3 armour owned by the Russians lost in Trans-Jordan
            Italians win, taking Trans-Jordan from Russians with 2 artilleries, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 23
            Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 3 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
        Battle in Stalingrad
            Italians attack with 2 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Stalingrad, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 1.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Stalingrad, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Stalingrad
            Italians win, taking Stalingrad from Russians with 2 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        Trigger Stalingrad Has Fallen to Italians Switch: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Russian_Stalingrad_Factory_May_Be_Destroyed_Italians attached to Italians
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Trans-Jordan to 100 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Trans-Jordan to 100 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Trans-Jordan to Alexandria
        1 fighter moved from Egypt to Alexandria
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Trans-Jordan to Northwest Persia
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Trans-Jordan to Northwest Persia
        1 fighter moved from 93 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 100 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Italians
        1 fighter placed in Southern Italy
        2 infantry placed in Southern Italy
        2 artilleries placed in Northern Italy
        1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 97 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Italians collect 26 PUs; end with 26 PUs
        Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 31 PUs
        Objective Italians 5 Control Convoy Lanes: Italians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 34 PUs
        Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 39 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.67
Italians regular : 2.00
Russians regular : -1.00

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 18

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 18

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 4 armour, 4 artilleries, 3 fighters, 9 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        2 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Western Sinkiang to Stalingrad
              Germans take Kazakhstan from Russians
        1 armour moved from Bryansk to Saratov
              Germans take Tula from Russians
        2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Ukraine to Saratov
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Northeast Persia
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Leningrad to Novgorod
        1 infantry moved from Vologda to Yaroslavl
              Germans take Yaroslavl from Russians
        1 artillery moved from Karelia to Archangel
        1 infantry moved from Nenetsia to Gorky
              Germans take Gorky from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Northern Belarus to Smolensk
              Germans take Smolensk from Russians
        18 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Kursk to Stalingrad
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Caucasus to Stalingrad
        1 destroyer moved from 98 Sea Zone to 83 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 94 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 89 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Gibraltar to 89 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from French West Africa to Gold Coast
              Germans take Gold Coast from British
        1 infantry moved from French West Africa to Nigeria
              Germans take Nigeria from Americans
        1 transport moved from 94 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Southern France to 95 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Morocco
        1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Southern Persia
        1 artillery moved from Northern Belarus to Novgorod
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 100 Sea Zone to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Alexandria to 100 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to 83 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to 83 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 100 Sea Zone to 83 Sea Zone
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from 83 Sea Zone to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
        1 carrier moved from 100 Sea Zone to 83 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Iraq
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to 83 Sea Zone
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to 83 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from Alexandria to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
        15 artilleries and 26 infantry moved from Rostov to Stalingrad

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Morocco
        Battle in 83 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 4 tactical_bombers and 2 transports
            Russians defend with 1 submarine
                Germans roll dice for 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 4 tactical_bombers and 2 transports in 83 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/8 hits, 4.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 83 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Germans lost in 83 Sea Zone
                1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in 83 Sea Zone
            Germans win, taking Morocco from Americans with 1 carrier, 3 fighters, 4 tactical_bombers and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
            Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer
            Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine
        Battle in 89 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            Americans defend with 1 submarine
                Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 89 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 89 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 89 Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
        Battle in Novgorod
            Germans attack with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Novgorod, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Novgorod, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Novgorod
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Novgorod
            Germans win, taking Novgorod from Russians with 2 artilleries remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Saratov
            Germans attack with 1 armour, 2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in Saratov, round 2 : 3/6 hits, 3.50 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Saratov, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Saratov
            Germans win, taking Saratov from Russians with 1 armour, 2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Iraq
            Germans attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Russians defend with 1 armour
                Germans roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Iraq, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour in Iraq, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Iraq
            Germans win, taking Iraq from Russians with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Russians: 1 armour
        Battle in Southern Persia
            Germans attack with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Southern Persia, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 tactical_bomber in Southern Persia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Southern Persia
                1 tactical_bomber owned by the Russians lost in Southern Persia
            Germans win, taking Southern Persia from Russians with 2 artilleries remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 tactical_bomber
        Battle in Northeast Persia
            Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 2 armour
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Northeast Persia, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 armour in Northeast Persia, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Northeast Persia, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 2 armour in Northeast Persia, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Northeast Persia
                1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Northeast Persia
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 artillery in Northeast Persia, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour in Northeast Persia, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 artillery in Northeast Persia, round 5 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour in Northeast Persia, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 artillery in Northeast Persia, round 6 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour in Northeast Persia, round 6 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Northeast Persia
            Germans win, taking Northeast Persia from Russians with 1 armour and 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 2 armour
        Battle in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
            Germans attack with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Americans defend with 5 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 5 infantry in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
                3 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, round 3 : 1/5 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, round 4 : 3/5 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Anglo-Egyptian Sudan
            Germans win, taking Anglo-Egyptian Sudan from Americans with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 5 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 aaGun moved from Gibraltar to 94 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 94 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 94 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 89 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 destroyer moved from 94 Sea Zone to 111 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom
        4 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Southern France to 95 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
        1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to United Kingdom
        2 aaGuns moved from Rostov to Stalingrad
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov
        2 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Saratov to Stalingrad
        2 aaGuns, 2 armour, 8 artilleries, 35 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Kursk
        1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 4 destroyers and 19 submarines moved from 94 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
        4 transports moved from 118 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from Germany to 117 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 7 infantry and 4 transports moved from 117 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from 118 Sea Zone to Leningrad
        2 transports moved from 103 Sea Zone to 102 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Romania to 102 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 102 Sea Zone to 103 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 103 Sea Zone to Rostov
        2 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
        1 tactical_bomber moved from 83 Sea Zone to Egypt
        2 tactical_bombers moved from 83 Sea Zone to Egypt
        2 fighters moved from 83 Sea Zone to Egypt
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia

    Place Units - Germans
        1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry placed in United Kingdom
        Germans undo move 1.
        2 fighters placed in 112 Sea Zone
        Germans undo move 1.
        1 fighter placed in 112 Sea Zone
        1 armour and 1 fighter placed in United Kingdom
        2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Ukraine
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Romania
        Germans undo move 3.
        3 armour placed in Ukraine
        2 infantry placed in Southern France
        1 fighter placed in Western Germany
        3 artilleries and 5 infantry placed in Germany
        1 mech_infantry placed in Western Germany
        1 submarine placed in 113 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 82 PUs; end with 82 PUs
        Trigger Germans 7 Atlantic Wall: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 85 PUs
        Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 90 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 95 PUs
        Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 98 PUs
        Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 104 PUs
        Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 109 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Stalingrad Or Leningrad Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 114 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.17
Russians regular : -1.33
Germans regular : 1.50

Savegame

@mikawagunichi

Yes, it is difficult for miracles to happen with that number of die.

I was expecting to be better in the Pacific, after good opening. But as you said, that allowed Germany to get to the money - and to split the American navy in Mediterannean. It seems now that was the key moment of the game. Italians were back in the game, while Americans could not build a fleet strong enough once again to threaten Gibraltar and consequently Europe. Or, rather, could not do that while not giving Japanese all the space to create chaos on the other side of the map.

It was a great game, I really liked playing it.