USA Crush-Turtle or Die

@squirecam

Obviously I’ll send a turn by the other Allies later, but I thought it would be helpful to show you the result so far (it would also give you the chance to correct any movements since some parts, such as orders for the Japanese forces on the mainland, particularly the Kwantung and Korea Armies, weren’t written and I wasn’t sure what to do):

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Also at the end of all of it there are 9 planes in Japan, not 8 (there’s 6 in the Hawaii sea zone and 2 in sea zone 6).

@SuperbattleshipYamato

I’ll review.

@SuperbattleshipYamato said in USA Crush-Turtle or Die:

@squirecam

Obviously I’ll send a turn by the other Allies later, but I thought it would be helpful to show you the result so far (it would also give you the chance to correct any movements since some parts, such as orders for the Japanese forces on the mainland, particularly the Kwantung and Korea Armies, weren’t written and I wasn’t sure what to do):

Test Game Japan Turn Complete.tsvg

Also at the end of all of it there are 9 planes in Japan, not 8 (there’s 6 in the Hawaii sea zone and 2 in sea zone 6).

So I would have moved the Korea units up into manchuria and unloaded into Korea with the transports.

@squirecam

I apologize if my gameplay wasn’t top notch, I’ve only ever played Balanced Mod once in my life (against myself on TripleA).

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Let me know if you’re dissatisfied with how I played the Italian turn.

@SuperbattleshipYamato said in USA Crush-Turtle or Die:

@squirecam

I apologize if my gameplay wasn’t top notch, I’ve only ever played Balanced Mod once in my life (against myself on TripleA).

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Let me know if you’re dissatisfied with how I played the Italian turn.

So the issue here is that we are “trying” to get the USA. Having Italy move the other direction is counter productive to that end. Italy should be taking Gibraltar in that case, not Greece. In which case, they would buy another transport, and not a fighter. If we are to continue testing, I think we need to redo Italy. I just assumed you would head West to follow the strategy, so sorry if I was unclear.

But as it stands, I see that my changes have put the axis in a better spot for J2. USA collected 20 dollars less. Japan has 7 more and can buy a carrier/4 transports rather than 3. Japan is in a better economic position for attacking the USA than in the original J1 attack.

Do you agree? If so, that was all I was trying to establish. That not going on J1 does not prohibit the strategy. Its actually better NOT to attack as USA is far weaker than it would otherwise be.

If we are continuing, move Italy west in Africa. Take Gibraltar. Take Tunisia. Move the troops in Northern Italy East and the troops in Southern Italy north. Albania troops also east. Germany will take Greece. Buy 1 transport, save the rest.

Also, just FYI, you should have retreated the German BB from 111. Doing so would have healed it and Germany would have it for later use. If you play this strategy, you should retreat. Let the British BB flee damaged. Its no biggie as this is just a test and the purpose was to show Japan was in a stronger position without attacking.

@squirecam

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Redid it. I would like to continue playing it out.

@SuperbattleshipYamato said in USA Crush-Turtle or Die:

@squirecam

Test Game France Turn Complete.tsvg

Redid it. I would like to continue playing it out.

So at this point I would break off the US attack in the atlantic and just do a sea lion. I’d kill the 3 dd with fleet and 3 air and in london You only have 3 infantry, 4 aa and a bomber. None of the other british units can get back. I can have 25 units for a G3 attack. The odds of a london attack succeeding according to the calc are at 100%.

I’d move a few tanks back to make sure I had 20 units and buy 2 inf and 9 transports. But this game wont be testing a US triple attack anymore, which was the purpose.

If we are to play this out, the game should be restarted from the beginning. But before you do, I’d like to know the purpose of why you bought 3 DD and moved the units away from London.

Also, when you test, you have to play it straight. As an example, I did say not to scramble into Taranto. But you only brought units that would have a 1% chance of winning if a scramble had occurred. You cant do that. That is favoring the allies. You have to bring sufficient forces to prevent a reasonable scramble. Otherwise you arent testing it properly.

@squirecam said in USA Crush-Turtle or Die:

If we are to play this out, the game should be restarted from the beginning. But before you do, I’d like to know the purpose of why you bought 3 DD and moved the units away from London.

As mentioned in the original post (and that my first test game confimred), one way to signifcantly delay and hurt German progress in attacking the US would be to buy naval units. It’s tough for the Germans to have adaquete income to both have enough transports to assault the US and defeat the Allied fleets. On second thought, I’m not interested in continuing or restarting. I’ll just playtest a Pacific 1940 game by myself using your strategy and see what happens.

Also, when you test, you have to play it straight. As an example, I did say not to scramble into Taranto. But you only brought units that would have a 1% chance of winning if a scramble had occurred. You cant do that. That is favoring the allies. You have to bring sufficient forces to prevent a reasonable scramble. Otherwise you arent testing it properly.

Sorry about that.

@SuperbattleshipYamato said in [USA Crush-Turtle or Die]

Sorry about that.

No problem. I just wanted an accurate test.

As to pacific only, US is limited to 17 dollars and there are no russians holding manchuria back. So that changes alot.

@squirecam

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Played another game. Both sides made mistakes, though I think the Allies made more egregious ones. That being said, I will admit your strategy was marginally beneficial to Japan. However, I’m not sure when and where in the game could Japan have refocussed their sights on Australia and the South Pacific to adapt to America’s growing capabilities. They were in a position where moving their forces would’ve taken far too long for little benefit.

Bottom line is, though, in 3 games played, all 3 have the Axis set to lose.

@SuperbattleshipYamato said in USA Crush-Turtle or Die:

@squirecam

2024-5-31-World-War-II-Pacific-1940-2nd-Edition Human.tsvg

Played another game. Both sides made mistakes, though I think the Allies made more egregious ones. That being said, I will admit your strategy was marginally beneficial to Japan. However, I’m not sure when and where in the game could Japan have refocussed their sights on Australia and the South Pacific to adapt to America’s growing capabilities. They were in a position where moving their forces would’ve taken far too long for little benefit.

Bottom line is, though, in 3 games played, all 3 have the Axis set to lose.

I think the US must be left alone as long as possible before the war starts and both sides are in position, if possible, to execute the strategy.

@Galendae

What do you make of this modification to your strategy? And my playtesting results? Thank you!

@SuperbattleshipYamato

I’d like you to try things my way for comparison. If the russians stack Amur, you attack them. So dont stack.

Take the fleet with 3 full carriers to Caroline Islands. Take and drop 1 transport load into Kwangsi (from Japan). Take SFE (Okinawa transport). Take the 4 china territories with as much airforce help as you can. Leave 5 planes in Japan (3 on island, 2 on carriers). Rest of planes (5) go to Kiangsi with 2 bombers 2 fighters and 1 tac to Kwangsi. Since Amur isnt stacked you can bring the Manchurian troops over and Korea ones to Manchuria, and drop troops into Korea (Formosa transport). Make sure the mech is in Anhwe for a potential Yunnan J2.

If UK kills the lone transport, you attack them alone and dont declare on the US. If China tries to load Yunnan, you can hit it.

This should help mitigate your China situation while leaving it ambiguous as to what Japan is actually doing. (See below for how I envisioned it before Allies go).

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@squirecam

Changed British bid a bit. If you have any objections, let me know and I’ll redo the turn.

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Also, do you intend for us to just play side by side, or do you want me to also do the Axis turns following your instructions? Thank you!

@SuperbattleshipYamato said in USA Crush-Turtle or Die:

@squirecam

Changed British bid a bit. If you have any objections, let me know and I’ll redo the turn.

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Also, do you intend for us to just play side by side, or do you want me to also do the Axis turns following your instructions? Thank you!

Well I wont play a whole game but I can playtest for a few rounds. This would be my response as Italy.
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@squirecam

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@SuperbattleshipYamato @squirecam

Please do any further playtesting in the Play Boardgames Category.

@Galendae

Thanks for clarifying.

@squirecam If you want to keep playing, we can. If you’re not interested, that’s fine too. Either way, I admit that your strategy is sound, at least as effective as the original.