TGC (CP) v Yamato (Entente), 1914, oob with RR

@superbattleshipyamato said in TGC (CP) v Yamato (Entente), 1914, oob with RR:

@the_good_captain

Thanks! I can’t wait to test what you said in your videos.

That being said though, I am nervous about this:

How can I win using the Allied strategies you created? Since you yourself created them you should have no problem countering them. Kinda hard to beat someone with their own weapon.

Is this concern valid? Or do you think that your turn openers, while important, aren’t necessarily decisive by itself? Thank you!

The openers are still very competitive in my opinion in spite of my knowledge of them. Roughly half of the moves you see in those videos are not even my own but something I saw someone else do. They’re sort-of a mish-mash of plagiarized moves that survive game to game and player to player. But there is still a lot of time before it is clear who is ‘winning’ this game. Having a perfect opener is still not likely to save a less skilled player from a more skilled player, even if the less skilled player is on the side that is more favorably balanced (imo).

All this to say: if you see something you like and feel comfortable with in those videos, take it. If you think you can do something better or aren’t comfortable a certain move, try something else. =)

@superbattleshipyamato said in TGC (CP) v Yamato (Entente), 1914, oob with RR:

@the_good_captain

Is it too early to say that I did something wrong?

If not, would you please tell me what I did wrong?

I feel the UK should not lose India and should not let the Ottomans into Africa. The income of the CP is currently very much in their favor. It do no see how it can be recovered at this point. The total unit value (TUV) of CP vs Entente pieces on the board is 720-CP to 610-Entente. The Entente should have 200 or more IPC greater than the CP to remain competitive (this 200 IPC difference is to account for their naval fleets as navy essentially do not participate in land combats where the IPC are).

@superbattleshipyamato

The Germans attacked in Belgium and scored 17 hits. How do you want them allocated here? (my purchase is in the bottom right - the only other combats were in Switzerland and Holland).

@SuperbattleshipYamato

Game History

Round: 9

    Puchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 17 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        3 units repaired.
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing unit hit damage for these British owned units to: tank = 1, tank = 1, tank = 1, tank = 1
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 artillery and 11 infantry moved from Ruhr to Belgium
        7 artilleries, 3 fighters, 12 infantry and 3 tanks moved from Alsace to Belgium
        2 artilleries moved from Switzerland to Alsace
        2 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Kiel to Holland
        3 artilleries, 12 infantry and 1 tank moved from Berlin to Kiel
        3 infantry moved from Silesia to Hanover
        1 infantry moved from Galicia to Silesia
        2 infantry moved from Moscow to Karelia
        1 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland
        4 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Poland
        1 infantry moved from Persia to Afghanistan
              Germans take Afghanistan from British
        1 infantry moved from Persia to Kazakhstan
              Germans take Kazakhstan from Russians
        5 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Persia to Sevastopol
        1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Portuguese East Africa
              Germans take Portuguese East Africa from British

    Combat - Germans
        Germans creates battle in territory Switzerland
        Battle in Switzerland
            Germans attack with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 2 infantry; AustroHungarians loiter and taunt
            French defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Switzerland, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                French roll dice for 1 infantry in Switzerland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the French lost in Switzerland
            Germans win, taking Switzerland from French with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for French: 1 infantry
        Battle in Belgium
            Germans attack with 8 artilleries, 3 fighters, 23 infantry and 3 tanks
            British defend with 15 artilleries, 11 infantry and 4 tanks
                Germans roll dice for 8 artilleries, 3 fighters, 23 infantry and 3 tanks in Belgium, round 2 : 17/37 hits, 16.33 expected hits
                French roll dice for 15 artilleries, 11 infantry and 4 tanks in Belgium, round 2 : 15/30 hits, 13.67 expected hits
            Units damaged: 3 tanks owned by the Germans
                12 infantry owned by the Germans, 7 artilleries owned by the British and 10 infantry owned by the British lost in Belgium
            French and Germans reach a stalemate
            . Battle score for attacker is 22
            Casualties for Germans: 12 infantry
            Casualties for British: 7 artilleries and 10 infantry
        Battle in Holland
            Germans attack with 2 artilleries and 11 infantry
            Neutral_True defend with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 11 infantry in Holland, round 2 : 7/13 hits, 5.00 expected hits
                Neutral_True roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Holland, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Germans, 3 infantry owned by the Neutral_True and 1 artillery owned by the Neutral_True lost in Holland
            Germans win, taking Holland from Neutral_True with 2 artilleries and 9 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Neutral_True: 1 artillery and 3 infantry

    Combat Move - Germans

    Place Units - Germans
        17 infantry placed in Berlin

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 58 PUs; end with 60 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

French regular : 0.83
Germans regular : 2.00
Neutral_True regular : 0.00

G9.tsvg I went ahead and selected casualties for the British in the Belgium fight to all infantry and artillery - feel free to change that if you wanted a different selection

@superbattleshipyamato

Game History

Round: 9

    Puchase Units - Ottomans
        Ottomans buy 2 artilleries and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Ottomans
        4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 1 tank moved from Constantinople to Greece
        2 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt
        1 infantry moved from Somaliland to British East Africa
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Union of South Africa
        1 infantry moved from Angola to Union of South Africa
        6 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from India to Persia
        2 infantry moved from Syrian Desert to Trans-Jordan
        5 infantry moved from Smyrna to Trans-Jordan
        1 infantry moved from Ankara to Smyrna

    Combat - Ottomans
        Battle in Greece
            Ottomans attack with 4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 1 tank
            Neutral_True defend with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Ottomans roll dice for 4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 7 infantry and 1 tank in Greece, round 2 : 7/13 hits, 6.33 expected hits
                Neutral_True roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Greece, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits
            Units damaged: 1 tank owned by the Ottomans
                1 infantry owned by the Ottomans, 3 infantry owned by the Neutral_True and 1 artillery owned by the Neutral_True lost in Greece
            Ottomans win, taking Greece from Neutral_True with 4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 1 tank remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10
            Casualties for Ottomans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Neutral_True: 1 artillery and 3 infantry

    Combat Move - Ottomans

    Place Units - Ottomans
        2 artilleries and 9 infantry placed in Constantinople

    Turn Complete - Ottomans
        Ottomans collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Ottomans regular : 0.67
Neutral_True regular : 0.00

O9.tsvg

@superbattleshipyamato

Game History

Round: 10

    Puchase Units - AustroHungarians
        AustroHungarians buy 2 artilleries and 16 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - AustroHungarians
        2 units repaired.
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Neutral_True from Albania: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by AustroHungarians to Albania: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from SZ 17: 1 mines
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to SZ 17: 1 mines
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from SZ 17: 1 mines
        EDIT: Adding units owned by AustroHungarians to SZ 17: 1 mines
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by AustroHungarians from Rome: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Adding units owned by AustroHungarians to Vienna: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing unit hit damage for these Americans owned units to: tank = 1, tank = 1
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by AustroHungarians from Albania: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Neutral_True to Albania: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        2 artilleries, 14 infantry and 1 tank moved from Tyrolia to Venice
        2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 12 infantry and 1 tank moved from Switzerland to Venice
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Trieste to Venice
        1 fighter moved from Vienna to Venice
        13 infantry moved from Vienna to Trieste
        1 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland

    Combat - AustroHungarians
        Air Battle in Venice
            AustroHungarians attacks with 2 units heading to Venice
            Americans launches 1 interceptors out of Venice
                Attackers Fire,  : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Defenders Fire,  : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Attackers Fire,  : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Defenders Fire,  : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the AustroHungarians lost in Venice
                1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in Venice
            Air Battle is over, the defenders have all died
        Battle in Venice
            AustroHungarians attack with 5 artilleries, 1 fighter, 28 infantry and 2 tanks
            Americans defend with 7 artilleries, 6 infantry and 2 tanks
                AustroHungarians roll dice for 5 artilleries, 1 fighter, 28 infantry and 2 tanks in Venice, round 2 : 11/36 hits, 14.50 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 7 artilleries, 6 infantry and 2 tanks in Venice, round 2 : 8/15 hits, 6.83 expected hits
            Units damaged: 2 tanks owned by the AustroHungarians
                6 infantry owned by the AustroHungarians, 5 infantry owned by the Americans, 5 artilleries owned by the Americans and 1 tank owned by the Americans lost in Venice
            Americans and AustroHungarians reach a stalemate
            . Battle score for attacker is 23
            Casualties for AustroHungarians: 6 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 5 artilleries, 5 infantry and 1 tank

    Combat Move - AustroHungarians

    Place Units - AustroHungarians
        2 artilleries and 16 infantry placed in Vienna
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Neutral_True from Albania: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Adding units owned by AustroHungarians to Albania: 2 infantry
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - AustroHungarians
        AustroHungarians collect 38 PUs; end with 38 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 1.17
Defenders Fire,  : 0.33
Attackers Fire,  : -0.33
AustroHungarians regular : -3.50

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Game History

Round: 10

    Puchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 20 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        3 units repaired.
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing ownership of Belgium from French to Germans
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 infantry moved from Portuguese East Africa to German East Africa
              Germans take German East Africa from British
        2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Switzerland to Lorraine
        8 artilleries, 3 fighters, 11 infantry and 3 tanks moved from Belgium to Lorraine
        1 infantry moved from Alsace to Lorraine
        2 artilleries moved from Alsace to Lorraine
        1 infantry moved from Holland to Belgium
        3 artilleries, 12 infantry and 1 tank moved from Kiel to Holland
        3 infantry moved from Hanover to Munich
        17 infantry moved from Berlin to Kiel
        1 infantry moved from Silesia to Hanover
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
        2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Poland to Livonia
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Poland to Silesia
        5 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Sevastopol to Ukraine
        1 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Tatarstan
        1 infantry moved from Afghanistan to Kazakhstan

    Combat - Germans
        Air Battle in Lorraine
            Germans attacks with 4 units heading to Lorraine
            French launches 1 interceptors out of Lorraine
                Attackers Fire,  : 2/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Defenders Fire,  : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the French lost in Lorraine
            Air Battle is over, the defenders have all died
        Battle in Lorraine
            Germans attack with 12 artilleries, 4 fighters, 14 infantry and 3 tanks
            French defend with 2 artilleries, 5 infantry and 1 tank
                Germans roll dice for 12 artilleries, 4 fighters, 14 infantry and 3 tanks in Lorraine, round 2 : 19/33 hits, 17.00 expected hits
                French roll dice for 2 artilleries, 5 infantry and 1 tank in Lorraine, round 2 : 4/8 hits, 3.67 expected hits
            Units damaged: 3 tanks owned by the Germans
                1 infantry owned by the Germans, 1 tank owned by the French, 5 infantry owned by the French and 2 artilleries owned by the French lost in Lorraine
            Germans win, taking Lorraine from French with 12 artilleries, 4 fighters, 13 infantry and 3 tanks remaining. Battle score for attacker is 26
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for French: 2 artilleries, 5 infantry and 1 tank

    Combat Move - Germans

    Place Units - Germans
        20 infantry placed in Berlin

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 63 PUs; end with 63 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

French regular : 0.33
Defenders Fire,  : -0.33
Attackers Fire,  : 0.67
Germans regular : 2.00

G10.tsvg A couple of notes. First, when Rome fell, the mine in the adjacent waters flipped control to the Austrians and so the American units that entered the sea zone should have all had to roll for mines. I forgot to make the edit when I captured the capital but just an FYI going forward.

The other note - and this is okay bc its a learning game - but going forward, you’ll want to try to avoid changing moves from previous turns. In this case, swapping the French out of Venice and into Tuscany and then having the Americans take Tuscany. Again we will go with this for this game but in case you did not know this - that American army is now stuck there on its turn. Units in a contested zone can only move to adjacent zones their individual power owns OR a territory that has at least one of their powers pieces in it. All the zones around the Americans are from other powers and there are no American units adjacent in the territory so they will just be stuck there next turn. This is a small rule that bites players time and time again. So just a heads up.

@superbattleshipyamato said in TGC (CP) v Yamato (Entente), 1914, oob with RR:

@the_good_captain

If you have a lot of time, maybe you can analyze two games I played against myself.

2023-5-17-World-War-I-1914.tsvg

2023-5-18-World-War-I-1914.tsvg

I um, didn’t follow some of the rules, but it’s mostly correct. The second one used low luck.

What did both sides do wrong and right? Did low luck help the Central Powers, or was it simply that they were extremely lucky to trigger the Revolution in turn 4?

I will try to get to these but this will take time and I’m a bit short on that these days.

@superbattleshipyamato

Game History

Round: 10

    Puchase Units - Ottomans
        Ottomans buy nothing; Remaining resources: 37 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Ottomans
        1 unit repaired.
        1 infantry moved from British East Africa to Belgian Congo
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Angola
        1 tank moved from Greece to Constantinople
        1 artillery moved from Greece to Constantinople
        6 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Persia to Mesopotamia
        2 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt

    Combat - Ottomans
        Battle in Angola
            Ottomans attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            British defend with 1 infantry
                Ottomans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Angola, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 infantry in Angola, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Ottomans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Angola
            Ottomans win, taking Angola from British with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Ottomans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 infantry

    Combat Move - Ottomans

    Turn Complete - Ottomans
        Ottomans collect 37 PUs; end with 74 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Ottomans regular : 0.67
British regular : 0.50

@superbattleshipyamato

O10.tsvg

From page 15 of the rulebook, “Land units that begin the turn in contested territories can only be moved to territories that are controlled by your power, or to territories that are also contested and already contain units belonging to your power.”

@superbattleshipyamato so the rule is actually more specific than I even realized as the only two conditions for movement out of a contested zone are a territory of the same power OR an adjacent CONTESTED zone with units of the same power - a friendly adjacent territory with a unit of your power is not legal as I mentioned previously.