WWII: The Struggle for Europe and Asia

Yea that italian thing sucks… roll a die and Italy surrenders… thats pretty much it.

I also read on that Italy role and didn’t like it… roll and out they go, even if they have a well organized defense setup for the Italian mainland… No matter, roll a one and gone…

But I think, this Italy role can be changed or left out at all, like a house rule. Not?

Hello Micoom,
    The game is always evolving based on feedback. It is a balancing act trying to keep the game from getting overly complex and keeping the historical feel AND be able to play it in a day if one wants to.
    There is a list of optional rules at the end of the downloadable rule book that have been added based on input from those who have played the game.
    Most recently, they have added a chart concerning Italian morale/surrender rules:

http://www.ww2wargame.com/forum/index.php?topic=57.15

They always appreciate feedback!

John

This game looked VERY interesting, but after I read the rules, I too was a bit turned off by the timeline and italian surrender.  I do like how in depth the map is, and how it begins in 1939.

I could be wrong here, but didnt italy overthrow mussolini after the allies took over sicily?

The king of Italy told Il Duce to step down. The thing is the germans moved in and got many of the former italian units to remain loyal to the German backed fascist so basically northern italy was still on the axis side.

True, after Italy surrendered, it was no more then a poppet state… there so called independent brigades fought partisans instead of the Allies.

So the rule isn’t so bad, looking at history… But seems hard, when you are playinf with a independent Italy player… Rolling for each remaining unit will help solve the pain however. BTW, the newly proposed optional rules seem better at first look… Overall I think really like the game look and rules. (Pre-set entry rules for Russia and the US are fine by me… They should join the game to make it interesting anyway IMO)

Hi Micoom,
    This is one game that I have not grown bored of. I have been part of the playtesting group for nearly 3 years. Essentially, I have tried to “break” the game or come up with some sort of “master strategy” for both sides and so far I can’t make any claims to this. Once you get a game or 2 under your belt (which really gives you a good feel for the mechanics) and you are playing with others at your same level, the strategies are almost countless. Plus - the game has a very historical feel to it - but this is NOT to say you need to follow historical guidelines to have a successful game. We have had many very interesting and fun ahistorical games.

John

you chaps want to post a complete game on this forum? I think it would be illuminating for others to see how this game plays out. At the very least it will demonstrate how the game mechanics work.

I’d like to see it played out. Ive reap some of the games on the boards that Craig Yoper has posted, and It really seemed interesting.

I might be convinced to get a copy, I’d like to expand my strategy gaming past Axis and Allies, Risk, and any rules sets ive thought up. I just dont know where id put something that big, and it seems like It needs a LOT of pieces from many different games, which I dont have.

This is not true…

if you own milton bradley and revised you can come up with 85% of the units you need. about another 30 bucks on ebay and you will be home

I dont own the original, but I know somebody who does, and he’s the one Id most likely end up playing this with.  So I guess its not too bad then.

Sure - we’ll get together a group of images showing an example of how a full game plays out. Stay tuned…

John

ok good.

We actually have not had a chance to play a full game and photograph it turn by turn yet. If it is ok, here is a link to images of a game played over Thanksgiving - but we did not photograph the whole game. Will should get a chance to put a full game up within a month or so.

Here is the link
http://www.ww2wargame.com/forum/index.php?topic=126.0

Later

John

ok nice pics!

Ok - We have photographed a whole game! Woo Hoo!

Here is the link:

http://www.ww2wargame.com/forum/index.php?topic=151.0

John

I spent 30 minutes following that…nice game. Can’t wait for the finish.

Yeah - me too. I had to leave early and Mark took over playing Germany for me. I am curious to see what he did with my panzer armies.

John

The game photo’s are always a real pleasure to look at! Really curious on the outcome of this one.