@wizmark Dice continuing in my favor, hopefully they even out.
L22 Pejon_88 (X) vs. Gamerman01 (A+15), BM4, game #2
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Scramble the Italian fighter to 95 or 97 or neither?
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@gamerman01 No scramble thanks.
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The 2 fighters escorting in Ukraine were supposed to meet up with the bomber crew from Gibraltar, but their master didn’t click on them.
You allow? If so, intercept?
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@gamerman01 Aha that makes sense. No intercept thanks.
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Thank you very much,
AA fire
[dice 1d6<2]If miss, damage roll
[dice 1d6<7] -
1d6<2: 1; Hits: 1
1d6<7: 6; Hits: 1 -
Drilled. So much for having a lucky round. Maybe next time.
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OK, I just saw Gibraltar to Ukraine is impossible.
So I have a big ask
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Well, not too big because it doesn’t affect much if you decline.
I intended to hit Ukraine and Stalingrad, not Leningrad. If you allow, I’ll move the Leningrad damage to Ukraine. If you disallow, I’ll leave it in Leningrad, no problem
What do you think?
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Oh, the big part is,
are you OK with letting all 3 bombers survive, because there should have only been 2 AA rolls, because Gibraltar bomber can’t reach any IC’s in Russia. OK? -
TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 12
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3
Game History
Round: 12 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 artillery, 4 fighters, 9 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 bomber moved from Caroline Islands to Guam 2 infantry moved from Wake Island to 31 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 31 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 21 Sea Zone to Guam 1 armour moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 34 Sea Zone to Paulau Island 1 bomber moved from Russia to Novgorod 2 fighters moved from Russia to Ukraine 1 bomber moved from Tobruk to Volgograd 1 destroyer and 2 fighters moved from 96 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 2 submarines moved from 96 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone Combat - Americans Air Battle in Ukraine Air Battle is over, the bombers have all died Strategic bombing raid in Novgorod Germans roll AA dice in Novgorod : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Bombing raid in Novgorod rolls: 8 and causes: 6 damage to unit: factory_minor Bombing raid in Novgorod causes 6 damage total. Strategic bombing raid in Volgograd Germans roll AA dice in Volgograd : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Bombing raid in Volgograd rolls: 4 and causes: 4 damage to unit: factory_minor Bombing raid in Volgograd causes 4 damage total. Battle in Paulau Island Americans attack with 1 armour and 1 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Americans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Paulau Island, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Paulau Island, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Paulau Island 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Paulau Island Americans win, taking Paulau Island from Japanese with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Battle in Guam Americans attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry Japanese defend with 1 airfield and 2 infantry Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Guam, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Guam, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Guam 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Guam Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Guam, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Guam, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Guam, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Guam, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Guam, round 5 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Guam, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Guam Americans win, taking Guam from Japanese with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry Battle in 97 Sea Zone Americans attack with 2 fighters and 2 submarines Italians defend with 1 destroyer Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 97 Sea Zone Americans win, taking 97 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 fighters and 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer Battle in 95 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters Italians defend with 1 submarine Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 95 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 95 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Italians lost in 95 Sea Zone Americans win with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Italians: 1 submarine Cleaning up after air battles Non Combat Move - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 3 submarines moved from 91 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Tobruk to Alexandria 2 fighters moved from 95 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers and 4 transports moved from 96 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 marine moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone 1 battleship and 1 marine moved from 101 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 31 Sea Zone to Wake Island 1 infantry and 1 marine moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Guam to Marianas 2 submarines moved from 63 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 1 infantry, 1 marine, 9 submarines and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 63 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 marine moved from 31 Sea Zone to Wake Island 2 fighters moved from Wake Island to Caroline Islands 1 bomber moved from Volgograd to Tambov 1 bomber moved from Novgorod to Russia 2 fighters moved from Ukraine to Russia 2 fighters moved from Western United States to Wake Island 5 fighters moved from Trans-Jordan to Alexandria 2 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Sikang to Tambov Place Units - Americans 4 fighters placed in Eastern United States 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Western United States 8 infantry placed in Central United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 57 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 67 PUs Objective Americans 9 Vital Forward Bases: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs Objective Americans 8 Pacific Airfields: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 82 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 87 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -1.17 Italians regular : -0.50 Japanese regular : 0.00 Germans AA : -0.33 -
TripleA Turn Summary: Chinese round 12
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3
Game History
Round: 12 Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese 2 infantry moved from Sikang to Szechwan 1 fighter moved from Kansu to Szechwan Combat - Chinese Battle in Szechwan Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Japanese defend with 1 mech_infantry Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Szechwan 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Szechwan Chinese win, taking Szechwan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry Non Combat Move - Chinese 1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Kansu 2 infantry moved from Shensi to Sikang Place Units - Chinese 1 infantry placed in Tsinghai 1 infantry placed in Sikang Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 6 PUs; end with 7 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : 0.17 Japanese regular : 0.67 -
Gotta leave for a meeting now
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@gamerman01 This was of course very unfortunate since dice were rolled, although incorrectly. I think if the bomber hadn’t been shot down we would’ve simply neglected that roll which means we should probably do the same in this scenario.
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I’m not sure what you mean.
I’ll give up on the Leningrad to Ukraine thing.In Triple A I moved a bomber to Leningrad, a bomber to Stalingrad, and 2 fighters to Ukraine to escort.
The bomber from Gibraltar couldn’t reach any of these targets, and was left on Gribraltar in my combat move.
In other words, I think my combat move should stand. The dice rolled were exactly on that combat move. The forum die roll was because I thought I could hit Ukraine with Gibraltar bomber, but that is impossible. So I’m leaving everything as is in Triple A.
I made the mistakes/confusion, so I’m leaving the damage in Leningrad and no damage for Ukraine. I forgot to move the bomber from Gibraltar, so I’ll just leave it there.
Unless I’m forgetting something, that’s basically just leaving everything as is in Triple A. The forum dice don’t count because it’s for a SBR that I wanted to do, that wasn’t even possible.
I understand if you want to protest any of this, we’ll just have to get an agreed-upon league player to mediate since there is no other moderator.
SORRY! I think you’ll see what I mean after considering what I wrote here, but I assure you we can go to a 3rd party if we don’t agree.
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The forum AA doesn’t count because it was rolled after the MARTI AA’s for the other 2 bombers and because it’s impossible for a 3rd bomber to fly over any of the Russian IC’s.
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TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 12
TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3
Game History
Round: 12 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 artillery, 4 fighters, 9 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 bomber moved from Caroline Islands to Guam 2 infantry moved from Wake Island to 31 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 31 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 21 Sea Zone to Guam 1 armour moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 34 Sea Zone to Paulau Island 1 bomber moved from Russia to Novgorod 2 fighters moved from Russia to Ukraine 1 bomber moved from Tobruk to Volgograd 1 destroyer and 2 fighters moved from 96 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 2 submarines moved from 96 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone Combat - Americans Air Battle in Ukraine Air Battle is over, the bombers have all died Strategic bombing raid in Novgorod Germans roll AA dice in Novgorod : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Bombing raid in Novgorod rolls: 8 and causes: 6 damage to unit: factory_minor Bombing raid in Novgorod causes 6 damage total. Strategic bombing raid in Volgograd Germans roll AA dice in Volgograd : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Bombing raid in Volgograd rolls: 4 and causes: 4 damage to unit: factory_minor Bombing raid in Volgograd causes 4 damage total. Battle in Paulau Island Americans attack with 1 armour and 1 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Americans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Paulau Island, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Paulau Island, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Paulau Island 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Paulau Island Americans win, taking Paulau Island from Japanese with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Battle in Guam Americans attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry Japanese defend with 1 airfield and 2 infantry Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Guam, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Guam, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Guam 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Guam Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Guam, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Guam, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Guam, round 4 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Guam, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Guam, round 5 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Guam, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Guam Americans win, taking Guam from Japanese with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry Battle in 97 Sea Zone Americans attack with 2 fighters and 2 submarines Italians defend with 1 destroyer Americans roll dice for 2 submarines in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 97 Sea Zone Americans win, taking 97 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 fighters and 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer Battle in 95 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters Italians defend with 1 submarine Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 95 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 95 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Italians lost in 95 Sea Zone Americans win with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Italians: 1 submarine Cleaning up after air battles Non Combat Move - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 3 submarines moved from 91 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 4 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Tobruk to Alexandria 2 fighters moved from 95 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 3 destroyers and 4 transports moved from 96 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 marine moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone 1 battleship and 1 marine moved from 101 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 31 Sea Zone to Wake Island 1 infantry and 1 marine moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Guam to Marianas 2 submarines moved from 63 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 3 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 1 infantry, 1 marine, 9 submarines and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 63 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 marine moved from 31 Sea Zone to Wake Island 2 fighters moved from Wake Island to Caroline Islands 1 bomber moved from Volgograd to Tambov 1 bomber moved from Novgorod to Russia 2 fighters moved from Ukraine to Russia 2 fighters moved from Western United States to Wake Island 5 fighters moved from Trans-Jordan to Alexandria 2 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Sikang to Tambov Place Units - Americans 4 fighters placed in Eastern United States 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Western United States 8 infantry placed in Central United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 57 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 67 PUs Objective Americans 9 Vital Forward Bases: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs Objective Americans 8 Pacific Airfields: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 82 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 87 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese 2 infantry moved from Sikang to Szechwan 1 fighter moved from Kansu to Szechwan Combat - Chinese Battle in Szechwan Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Japanese defend with 1 mech_infantry Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Szechwan 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Szechwan Chinese win, taking Szechwan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry Non Combat Move - Chinese 1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Kansu 2 infantry moved from Shensi to Sikang Place Units - Chinese 1 infantry placed in Tsinghai 1 infantry placed in Sikang Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 6 PUs; end with 7 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 2 armour, 1 carrier and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific buy 1 armour and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 armour moved from Burma to Malaya UK_Pacific take Shan State from Japanese UK_Pacific take Malaya from Japanese Combat - British Non Combat Move - British 2 transports moved from 75 Sea Zone to 71 Sea Zone 1 destroyer and 4 transports moved from 96 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia 1 armour, 1 artillery, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria 1 fighter moved from Trans-Jordan to Alexandria 2 armour, 3 fighters and 1 infantry moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan 1 armour moved from Tanganyika Territory to Italian Somaliland 1 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Tanganyika Territory 1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 77 Sea Zone 3 aaGuns, 4 artilleries and 27 infantry moved from Burma to India 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Trans-Jordan Place Units - British 1 armour and 2 infantry placed in Union of South Africa 1 armour placed in United Kingdom 1 carrier placed in 109 Sea Zone Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 106 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 91 Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 109 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer and 2 submarines EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - British British collect 30 PUs; end with 30 PUs Objective British 4 Control Convoy Lanes: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 33 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 1 armour and 1 infantry placed in India Turn Complete - UK_Pacific Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,6 UK_Pacific collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 13 PUs Some Units in India change ownership: 1 armour and 1 infantryCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Chinese regular : 0.17 Americans regular : -1.17 Italians regular : -0.50 Japanese regular : 0.67 Germans AA : -0.33 -
@gamerman01 What I meant is what you wrote above. Had your bomber not been hit with the forum dice I believe the conclusion would’ve been the same, that we would ignore those dice due to the illegal move.
What I want to state though is that under normal circumstances forum dice must have the same “authority” as AA dice, if you will. I don’t want forum dice to be questioned in circumstances where they were rolled in a legal way. Does that make sense?
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Yes, thank you, I’m relieved because the whole thing was a bit confusing and it was my fault. I don’t want there to be any misunderstanding between us.
I’d like to take this opportunity to recap in the interest of coming to the same understanding.
Forum dice absolutely have the same weight as MARTI, I completely agree.
I caused some confusion when I left combat move with 2 fighters as escorts over Ukraine in Triple A with no bomber. So I thought, oh, I meant to have the Gibraltar bomber there (see PM sent to you at the time).
2 in game SBR’s, MARTI dice rolled automatically for each.
You said no intercept, so I rolled on forum not knowing the move was impossible.Forum dice disregarded for 2 reasons - they were the latest in time, and they were only rolled because I thought I had a 3rd legal SBR which I did not.
Thanks again for talking it through!! Cooler heads prevail.
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Because this is all from my slip-up on the combat move, I’m just going to leave the damage on Leningrad and not ask for Ukraine.
I’m also not asking to move the bomber to a different place from Gibraltar, although that’s a good position for it anyway. :hushed:
Please say if you don’t think this is fair.
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