• That example is a good point but it does not reflect the notion that the Salient had to be trapped in a few days or the bulk of Soviet forces would have escaped. IN game turns we are talking about 4-6 months ( mostly 6 months) so what we are saying is to create a more refined “tactical” idea within the span of a much larger time frame of 1/2 a year. The possibility to trap armies in say Stalingrad or Kursk took days to perform and this represents a problem to reconcile the two. I feel that because the idea would probably work because:

    1. it wont come up anyway… the defender will fight to the bitter end ( like Stalingrad)
    2. The proposed idea does not require alot of rules to impliment…its easy to state and follow
    3. it may not be the most realistic idea, but its such a marginal thing ( as stated under #1) that its not worth worrying about

  • still looking for

    *case of poor retreat resulting in armies rounded up and destroyed/captured
    *case of unforced retreat for purposes of regrouping (hope this is not weird hehe)

    in WWII


  • from wikipedia’s overview of wwii:

    Germany withdrew from the Balkans and held Hungary until February 1945.

    Romania turned against Germany in August 1944, threatening German lines of retreat from the Ukraine.


  • i think a good example would be Dunkirk. Talk about how Germany surprised the Allies by sweeping down and cutting off their ability to retreat from there. Even though the Allies evacuated a surprisingly large amount of troops by sea, the units that were left behind were annihilated (sandwiched).


  • still looking for

    *case of poor retreat resulting in armies rounded up and destroyed/captured
    ++++ keiv pocket 1941

    *case of unforced retreat for purposes of regrouping (hope this is not weird hehe)
    ++++after the first Soviet counteroffensive after the failure of operation Typhon, the Germans were pushed back and exposed 2 rather troublesome sailents. Hitler ordered them to retreat to avoid them being encircled. This was the first voluntary “retreat order” One salient was south of Leningrad and the other west of moscow.

    in WWII


  • thank you


  • another update uploaded
    we are close to finishing phase 2


  • another update
    full unit name mentioned with abbreivations
    one column format


  • have we got a background picture yet?
    are we releasing phase 2 yet?


  • Yes!


  • So you’ve download the latest file in one column format, put on the background picture, and releasing a pdf?  :-D

  • Moderator

    Can someone please satisfy my appetite and give me a link! :-D

    GG


  • Its allways on the bottom of Tekkys signature.

  • Moderator

    They are all .rtf files, and you have a .pdf hidden somewhere… :| and I have downloaded the most recent one, which was made on 9/25…

    GG


  • yeah
    so hows that coming along?

    if you’v got graphics already you are in the middle of making a pdf?

  • Moderator

    I stickied this for obvious reasons… Any moderating objections?


  • id make a post to skicky just the current version of the rules rather than all the back and forth.


  • first post edited to be clearer

    latest file

    past files


  • Imperious Leader can you tell us whats happening with the pretty background version? or graphic version.

    I am actually waiting for your version with background to continue compiling. Though only a little bit to add to the draft. But we are marking end of phase 2.

    Its ok I can install Adobe Acrobat to edit pdf if its pdf.


  • Its done for some time except for the tech boxes of what each player starts with which will be in lower right corner.

    ill get that done

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