Only defending transport left in battle

@RYNO87 said in Defender Sub sneak attack:

Have a question about sneak attack order with a destroyer. Lets say the attacker has 1 sub and a cruiser and defender has a sub and destroyer. I understand that the attacker sub can’t sneak attack (due to the defender destroyer) but would the defender sub get to sneak attack before the attacker gets his combat turn?

Exactly. The defending destroyer cancels the attacking submarine’s surprise strike ability. So the defending submarine gets its surprise strike before.

Witt is correct. But just to add that if you are transporting your own units (rather than an allies’) you can indeed load and unload in the same turn. Witt mentions the 2 move per turn limit in this regard, which may (of course) mean that you have not reached your final destination.

Welcome indeed to our forum jalk65.

Thanks for the design clarification… appreciate the thoughts during design… I know in the game design business you will always be second guessed, and i’d be happy to toss in a “what about just a simple rule like subs can’t stop passage of units unless its unescorted transports…”  even if it’s just “one warship” which is the same rule you DID put in place for amphibious operations.  Oh well, i’m sure they won’t be putting out an A&A Third Edition rules, Wolfshanze-style!  lolz.  Oh well, that’s what house rules are for.

Thanks again for a great game… I know I might sound a little grumpy, but I always have loved A&A since 1984 when I first started playing, and I really can’t wait to introduce the game to my kids and get back into it again… in the end, my concerns in this thread are minor in the overall picture, and I know i’ll love it now like I did 30 years ago… fingers crossed my kids will feel the same!

@Grumphrey:

Bonus: Why do each of the axis only get one Industrial Complex at the beginning compared to 2-3 for each ally?

Some belated thoughts on the above.

The UK could not possibly defend its global territories from London. So additional ICs are essential if the axis are to be resisted.

The US has to project its power across the Atlantic and/or the Pacific. This strategic choice is left open by having an IC on each coast, rather then the US’s focus being predetermined by IC placement. One of the interesting conundrums of the game is the balance of US deployment between its two spheres of activity, so hooray for both ICs!

Japan would benefit considerably from an Asian IC (in expanded versions of the game Japan is able to build such an IC). The lack of one forces Japan to maintain a fleet able to protect its transports and when possible capture India or Stalingrad. This also makes the US Pacific naval role more critical.

The Australia IC has never played a significant role for the UK or Japan in any of my games. A naval build there in the teeth of J’s superior fleet in unlikely, an air build will rarely be affordable and a land build will probably be stranded.

Russia’s Stalingrad IC is, however, more of an opportunity for Germany or Japan than a help for Russia. Stalingrad becomes a strategic focus for all sides as an axis build capability there ratchets up the threat to Moscow.

So - except for the Australia IC - I would say the allocation of ICs drives the game, creating threats and opportunities that make the game so multi-faceted. Well done to the designers! 8-)

Thanks, Barney.  You are absolutely correct.  No AA, either.  Roll until all dead, or until attacker retreats.  Amphibious assault must attack until death, cannot retreat in to transports.  That’s it!

Have fun, Matt!  '41 is one of my favorites for its speed and balance *(current errata).

Thank you.

I called tech support and they answered my question.  only a battleship can take two hits.  everything else is one hit then casualty line to return fire then dead then attacker goes again if he/she doesn’t retreat

@tbt_delta:

I believe this is only true if you are performing an amphibious assault.  If you are offloading in a friendly territory (moving in non-combat), then you can ignore enemy subs.

This is correct. The exact text states

…a transport cannot ignore enemy submarines to offload land units for an amphibious assault unless at least one warship belonging to the attacking power is also present in the sea zone at the end of the Combat Move phase.

One additional note: It appears that a transport CAN ignore enemy transports to offload land units during an amphibious assault.