It’s still no good plan imho. Losing London is bad. And USA fight’s prior Japan means that Germany runs wild at Europa and mop up everything, especially Russia.
For US1, why buy fighters/tacticals?
Even with a J1, you’ve got access to 5 fighters and 1 tactical, enough to fill 3 carriers (without a J1 you get one more fighter). What’s more, Hawaii is a scramble zone, so you don’t need carriers to get full use of the planes.
If Japan didn’t attack the Hawaii fleet on J1, its almost certain much of their fleet went south to take the money islands, Malaya, Hong Kong, and Philippines, so usually you’re safe if you move your fleet to Hawaii on US1. Even if the entire Japanese fleet in sz6 stays in sz6, they can’t win against the starting U.S. Pacific fleet gathered at Hawaii with 3 fighter scrambles.
If Japan’s fleet is at sz6 and sz35 (Philippines), you can’t, but if their southern fleet is down taking the Money Islands or Malaya, taking the Caroline Islands gives the U.S. a lot of great options since it can hit Japan, Philippines, 3 out of the 4 money islands, and any factories on the Chinese coast, with a reminder that a Japanese factory in Chinese territory is destroyed if the Allies capture the territory.
If Russia is interested in massing in Amur on R1, which I kind of like, I think the U.S. needs to be aggressive in the Pacific as well. The whole point of possibly sacrificing the Russians is to delay the Japanese and tie up crucial transports, maybe get lucky and take down a plane or 3. Either way, I might pair that with dropping U.S. troops in Soviet Far East with an eye towards Korea. If Japan is dumb enough to attack Amur on J1, and bring their transports, that delays them 2 full turns (J1 they attack Russia, J2 they go back to Japan, J3 they finally head south, instead of J1).
If Japan attacked Amur J1, I’d have ANZAC and UKPac use their transports to take Java and Sumatra and on their 2nd turns, if possible, drop another pair of infantry on those islands. Anything that slows down Japan’s ability to get income is a huge win. 4 inf on each of those two islands (plus the option of planes) can cost Japan troops on transports they can’t replace easily.
@hecatomb:
It’s still no good plan imho. Losing London is bad. And USA fight’s prior Japan means that Germany runs wild at Europa and mop up everything, especially Russia.
While losing London is a serious handicap for the Allies, it isn’t fatal. The Axis need 8 VCs, and they’ll have Berlin+Paris+Rome+Warsaw+London=5 VCs. They can now either go for a Leningrad/Stalingrad/Moscow, a Leningrad/Moscow/Cairo, or Leningrad/Cairo/Stalingrad. Leningrad/Cairo/Stalingrad is probably the easiest. The Italians will probably be able to take Cairo. Leningrad will also probably fall. Both, however, will take a lot of Axis units with them (don’t forget all those Baltic States blockers and units in Leningrad/Ukraine). This means that the eighth city will have plenty of time to build up defences. Stalingrad and Moscow can support each other. By turn 5 or so, Japan should be weak enough that the US can turn to Europe, and have London by turn 7-8.
Leningrad will also probably fall. Both, however, will take a lot of Axis units with them (don’t forget all those Baltic States blockers and units in Leningrad/Ukraine). This means that the eighth city will have plenty of time to build up defences. Stalingrad and Moscow can support each other. By turn 5 or so, Japan should be weak enough that the US can turn to Europe, and have London by turn 7-8.
If Germany doesn’t let their Sea Lion transports get sunk on G3, then on G5 they can drop 20 units spread all over anything that borders the Baltic, including Novgorod. Especially easy if the U.S. is focusing on Japan, like in your scenario.
… but if their southern fleet is down taking the Money Islands or Malaya, taking the Caroline Islands gives the U.S. a lot of great options since it can hit Japan, Philippines, 3 out of the 4 money islands, and any factories on the Chinese coast, …
Not likely.
With Russia moving into China in force, Japan will not DOW turn 1.
In the above detailed strategy UKPAC and ANZAC declare war.
Which leaves Japan with no reason to declare at all. They simply have a free go at the money islands and other targets with the US forced to watch from afar.
Leningrad will also probably fall. Both, however, will take a lot of Axis units with them (don’t forget all those Baltic States blockers and units in Leningrad/Ukraine). This means that the eighth city will have plenty of time to build up defences. Stalingrad and Moscow can support each other. By turn 5 or so, Japan should be weak enough that the US can turn to Europe, and have London by turn 7-8.
If Germany doesn’t let their Sea Lion transports get sunk on G3, then on G5 they can drop 20 units spread all over anything that borders the Baltic, including Novgorod. Especially easy if the U.S. is focusing on Japan, like in your scenario.
Even if- worst case scenario for Russia- Novgorod, Baltic States, Vyborg, E.Poland, and Bessarabia all fall in one turn, they’ll have at least two turns to build in Moscow and Stalingrad. If the Germans bomb Moscow, they can build in Stalingrad to partially make up for that. Also, by turn 5 or so, the US should be able to turn to Europe, as Japan’s income and navy will both be weak. This strategy is less about occupying Tokyo and more about choking the Money Islands and sz6 with subs to leave Japan weak.
Also, by turn 5 or so, the US should be able to turn to Europe, as Japan’s income and navy will both be weak.
You did realize US4 is the first turn, US can even leave Hawaii?
No one declared war on them.
This would make it highly unlikely for them to turn to Europe in US5.
If Germany doesn’t go sea lion, Moscow is almost sure to be lost by g6. If they do go sea lion, unless it fails, ussr is still putting little pressure on Germany. I suppose the couple of tanks help but losing planes seems very bad.
I get the gist of this idea but the details don’t seem like they would work out. Particularly the uk1 dow which outs a somewhat specialist idea.
If you are playing with a bid of at least 20, why not put down two extra Soviet fighters which can reach yunnan? That would be the yunan stack strategy.
@V.:
Also, by turn 5 or so, the US should be able to turn to Europe, as Japan’s income and navy will both be weak.
You did realize US4 is the first turn, US can even leave Hawaii?
No one declared war on them.
This would make it highly unlikely for them to turn to Europe in US5.
I suppose since he’s assuming sea lion they can dow us3. Or is that only against European axis?
If USA enters war because of whatever reason, it effects both sides of the map and USA is free to do whatever it want’s everywhere.
I agree with Simon’s conclusion that Moscow falls G6. No need for Sea lion after UK1 DOW on Japan. This game is going to end very badly for the Allies unless the Axis player is very weak. Play some tougher competition!
