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Round: 4 Germans Combat Move - GermansCombat Hit Differential Summary :
G40 2nd ed. oysteilo (axis) vs. ShadowHAwk (allies, no bid)
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The more I look at the board, the more I am convinced that the Axis should have an easy victory.
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@Arthur:
The more I look at the board, the more I am convinced that the Axis should have an easy victory.Â
If you think I still have a chance I might keep it going for a few more rounds…… But I think this looks like a lost case
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@Arthur:
The more I look at the board, the more I am convinced that the Axis should have an easy victory.�Â
If you think I still have a chance I might keep it going for a few more rounds…… But I think this looks like a lost case
After sleeping on it I can post Japan this afternoon. But in any case I need to figurte out something clever with germany……There are definately things to be learned here!
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@Arthur:
The more I look at the board, the more I am convinced that the Axis should have an easy victory.��Â
If you think I still have a chance I might keep it going for a few more rounds…… But I think this looks like a lost case
After sleeping on it I can post Japan this afternoon. But in any case I need to figurte out something clever with germany……There are definately things to be learned here!
I insist that harris keeps his mouth shut about the euro board. Not fair having 3 players VS 1 and i dont even have a bid :)
No offence Harris but you keep giving him good advice and that is against my best intrest :)
I agree, no 3 vs 1 player. As far as I know I think ABH has not hinted on anything on what I should do, he was not agreeing with the manchuria thing but that is all. He has said he thinks it is not over. Which I think is fair. It also looks like other players agree with him and that encourages me to try a little longer
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Great stuff. The Japanese has had some sushi and sake over the last couple of days so expect the unexpected
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I have been careful to avoid giving any advice to either side, just occasionally giving a few tips over old moves that are already played out for a couple of rounds. Normally I wouldn’t be doing that except for all of the attention that both of you brought to the Forum with oysteilo trying to prove that the Axis can easily win a standard game and ShadowHAwk trying to maintain that the game is actually balanced (sorry, even if you beat a bad Axis player that still doesn’t mean that the game is balanced for good players).
It irks me to see people who think that the game is balanced because they usually demand to play the Axis in our F2F gaming group and yet refuse to give the Allies a bid. I think that I would have a good shot of winning against ShadowHAwk with a +40 Allies bid, and many of the top League players would have a good shot of winning even with a +60 bid although at that point they might have to play very cautiously until a big mistake was made.
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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9
Game History
Round: 5
Purchase Units - Japanese
Japanese buy 1 artillery, 3 destroyers, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;Combat Move - Japanese
1 infantry moved from Jehol to Manchuria
Japanese take Manchuria from Chinese
1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Iwo Jima to 17 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 17 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei
1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsu to Kweichow
1 mech_infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
1 submarine moved from 41 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
1 armour moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
1 armour moved from Anhwe to Kweichow
1 fighter moved from Jehol to Hopei
2 fighters moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
2 fighters moved from Kwangsi to Szechwan
2 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Szechwan
1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Szechwan
1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Shan State
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to Shan State
2 fighters moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Jehol to Suiyuyan
1 tactical_bomber moved from Jehol to HopeiCombat - Japanese
Battle in Kweichow
Japanese attack with 2 armour, 1 artillery and 2 mech_infantrys
Chinese defend with 1 infantry
Japanese win, taking Kweichow from Chinese with 2 armour, 1 artillery and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
Battle in 41 Sea Zone
Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer
Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer
Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
Battle in Suiyuyan
Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
Chinese defend with 1 infantry
retreated to Suiyuyan
Chinese win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
Battle in Hopei
Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
Chinese defend with 1 infantry
Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
Battle in Szechwan
Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
Chinese defend with 2 infantry
Japanese win with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
Battle in Yunnan
Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
British defend with 2 infantry
Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for British: 2 infantry
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
Battle in 36 Sea Zone
Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
British defend with 1 submarine
Japanese win, taking 36 Sea Zone from UK_Pacific with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for British: 1 submarine
Battle in Korea
Battle in Shan State
Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
British defend with 2 infantry
Japanese win, taking Korea from Russians, taking Shan State from UK_Pacific with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for British: 2 infantryNon Combat Move - Japanese
1 fighter moved from Suiyuyan to Jehol
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Hopei to Jehol
1 battleship, 2 carriers and 2 cruisers moved from 37 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from 36 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from Yunnan to 35 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from Shan State to 35 Sea Zone
2 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to 35 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from Szechwan to Philippines
1 bomber moved from Shan State to Philippines
2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Szechwan to Kwangsi
1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to French Indo China
1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
1 artillery moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to 19 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kwangtung
1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to Kwangsi
2 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to PhilippinesPlace Units - Japanese
1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 20 Sea Zone
1 infantry placed in Kwangtung
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Kiangsu
3 destroyers and 1 submarine placed in 6 Sea ZoneTurn Complete - Japanese
Japanese collect 58 PUs; end with 58 PUs total
Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs -
hahaha, I did not need that one. sloppy again!
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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9
Game History
Round: 5
Purchase Units - Italians
Italians buy 2 artilleries and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;Combat Move - Italians
1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Bessarabia
Italians take Bessarabia from Russians
1 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Bessarabia
2 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bessarabia
1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 99 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Trans-JordanCombat - Italians
Battle in 99 Sea Zone
Italians attack with 1 fighter
British defend with 1 transport
Italians win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
Casualties for British: 1 transport
Battle in Trans-Jordan
Italians attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
British defend with 1 infantry
Italians win, taking Trans-Jordan from British with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for British: 1 infantryNon Combat Move - Italians
1 destroyer moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 99 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Northern Italy to France
2 aaGuns moved from Western Ukraine to Bessarabia
1 bomber moved from Germany to Southern ItalyPlace Units - Italians
1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Southern Italy
1 artillery and 3 infantry placed in Northern ItalyTurn Complete - Italians
Italians collect 18 PUs; end with 18 PUs total
Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 23 PUs -
Please add 1 inf 1 art to gibraltar UK
add 1 transport to gibraltar UK
remove uk forces near US capital.Forgot to put them in edit mode.
OK, I will do Germany tomorrow. 3 japanese transports lost due to horrible play. I am sorry it turns out this way. I am usually not that bad, but often one error leads to another one, ohh well
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Sure, no problem about 40 bid. Standard rules of 1 unit per territory, must already have units of that country in that territory, and only infantry or artillery allowed for China.
Time to sharpen up your Axis skills, Oysteilo. You really shouldn’t be pushed around in the Pacific with so little US money going to that side of the board.
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Whit giving a bid of 40 IPC, ABH shows balls, that’s for sure. I am very excited!
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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9
Game History
Round: 6
Research Technology - Germans
Purchase Units - Germans
Germans buy 2 artilleries, 1 destroyer, 4 infantry and 8 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;Combat Move - Germans
4 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
2 bombers moved from Finland to Bryansk
3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
1 fighter moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
1 artillery moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
2 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
9 armour, 13 artilleries, 10 infantry and 16 mech_infantrys moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel
Germans take Archangel from Russians
1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Novgorod to Nenetsia
Germans take Nenetsia from RussiansCombat - Germans
Battle in Ukraine
Germans attack with 9 armour, 13 artilleries, 11 infantry and 16 mech_infantrys
Russians defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
Germans win, taking Ukraine from Russians with 9 armour, 13 artilleries, 10 infantry and 16 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
Battle in Bryansk
Germans attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
Russians defend with 1 aaGun and 8 infantry
Germans win, taking Bryansk from Russians with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 4 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 13
Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter and 2 infantry
Casualties for Russians: 1 aaGun and 8 infantryNon Combat Move - Germans
3 aaGuns moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland
3 tactical_bombers moved from Bryansk to Bessarabia
2 bombers moved from Bryansk to Bessarabia
2 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria
1 aaGun moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania
1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to Baltic States
5 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Romania
1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
4 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
3 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
1 artillery moved from Novgorod to Karelia
1 infantry moved from Vyborg to Karelia
1 fighter moved from Finland to 127 Sea ZonePlace Units - Germans
1 destroyer placed in 110 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in France
1 artillery placed in Western Germany
8 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
2 infantry placed in NovgorodTurn Complete - Germans
Germans collect 51 PUs; end with 51 PUs total
Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 56 PUs
Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs -
Please add 1 inf 1 art to gibraltar UK
add 1 transport to gibraltar UK
remove uk forces near US capital.Forgot to put them in edit mode.
please edit with russia
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Now that the moves have been made and these tactics can no longer be used on subsequent turns, I will comment on what Colt45 and I thought should have been done.
The Axis had an easy victory if Italy had taken Ukraine on their previous turn and the Germans took Bryansk with the main stack. The Russians would be able to get their stranded troops back to Moscow with a attack/retreat this turn, but would have lost so many infantry this round that victory would have been assured for the Axis. The expected board is shown in the attached save file. German units might not be standing in Moscow for a while if you are spending large amounts protecting Europe from the Amphibious assault, but you would have an almost unstoppable path to winning the game. This no-bid game should have been VERY easy to win as Axis.
The game isn’t lost with the moves that were done, but Russia now has so many good options on R6.
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Well, nothing like an opponent’s counting error to keep you in a game! ShadowHAwk, have you decided what you would like for a bid?
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Russia would have lost an average of 24 units on the hit-and-run in Bryansk while the Germans would have lost 17. The big game changer is the lost Russian units have 48 on defense when the siege of Moscow finally commences, while the killed Germans only would contribute 17 on attack. With a more aggressive German opening in this game, a G7 final assault would have been possible.
Attacking Belarus certainly was a very valid option. With good dice, the game would have been over for Russia; with bad dice the Germans would be in a very dangerous situation. I personally liked having my fast moving units within striking range of Volgograd and the Caucasus since those two are a 19 PU swing for the Axis.
I have found that in balanced mod games the Russians can threaten moves towards Novgorod while hiding in Moscow becomes the only strategic option for normal games against good opponents.
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http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=39282.0 Link to new game with SH playing Allies +40. Scrambles on my conservative German start?
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@Arthur:
Well, nothing like an opponent’s counting error to keep you in a game! ShadowHAwk, have you decided what you would like for a bid?Â
at this point I dont care and dont calculate too much. This game is not fun to me anymore :oops: :-o :-( :-D
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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9
Game History
Round: 6
Purchase Units - Japanese
Japanese buy 2 artilleries, 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 6 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;Combat Move - Japanese
1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone
1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to Celebes
1 submarine moved from 36 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from Philippines to Guam
2 armour, 1 artillery and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Kweichow to Szechwan
1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State
1 bomber moved from Philippines to Shan State
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to Yunnan
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Shan State
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Jehol to Yunnan
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Szechwan
1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Shan State
1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 55 Sea Zone
1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
1 mech_infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei
1 infantry moved from Anhwe to Hopei
1 fighter moved from Jehol to Hopei
6 infantry moved from Jehol to ChaharCombat - Japanese
Battle in Hopei
Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
Chinese defend with 1 infantry
Japanese win, taking Hopei from Chinese with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
Battle in 37 Sea Zone
Japanese attack with 2 fighters and 1 submarine
ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer
Japanese win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer
Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
Battle in Szechwan
Japanese attack with 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
Chinese defend with 2 infantry
Japanese win, taking Szechwan from Chinese with 2 armour, 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
Casualties for Japanese: 2 mech_infantrys
Battle in Chahar
Japanese attack with 6 infantry
Chinese defend with 1 infantry
Japanese win, taking Chahar from Chinese with 6 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
Battle in Celebes
Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
Americans defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
Battle in 55 Sea Zone
Japanese attack with 1 destroyer and 1 tactical_bomber
Americans defend with 1 submarine
Japanese win with 1 destroyer and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
Battle in 42 Sea Zone
Japanese attack with 1 fighter
ANZAC defend with 1 transport
Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
Battle in 44 Sea Zone
Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 transport
Americans defend with 1 transport
Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
Battle in Guam
Japanese attack with 1 bomber
Americans defend with 1 airfield and 1 bomber
Japanese win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber
Battle in Yunnan
Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
British defend with 2 infantry
Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
Casualties for British: 2 infantry
Battle in Shan State
Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
British defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
Japanese win with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomberNon Combat Move - Japanese
1 armour moved from Kwangsi to Szechwan
1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 44 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Celebes to 35 Sea Zone
2 fighters moved from 37 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
1 submarine moved from 20 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 bomber moved from Guam to Philippines
2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Szechwan to Kwangsi
1 fighter moved from Hopei to Anhwe
1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Shantung
1 aaGun moved from Jehol to Shantung
1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone
2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
2 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
2 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to Kwangsi
1 bomber moved from Shan State to KwangsiPlace Units - Japanese
1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Japan
1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 6 Sea Zone
1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Kiangsu
3 infantry placed in Kwangtung
Turning on Edit Mode
EDIT: Changing ownership of Celebes from Americans to Japanese
EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Celebes: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 44 Sea Zone: 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport
EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 44 Sea Zone: 1 transport
EDIT: Turning off Edit ModeTurn Complete - Japanese
Japanese collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs total
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