Baron's HR units charts and set-up for 1941, 1942.2 and AA50

There was already many changes suggested in the Revised Thread, adding Marines or Elite Infantry was more interesting than another defensive unit.
There is already many big changes to try with my actual roster.
Convoy Raid and reduced cost for ships is amongst the ones which can affect radically balance.
With Subs combat ability change, there is already many things to try.
Hope, you will be able to test it somehow.
I will appreciate any feedback, for sure.

**If I want to play with Fg, TcB, Medium Bomber and Heavy Bomber,

• what can be the ability of Medium Bomber between TcB and StB (heavy)?

• Were they used to chase Subs? More than Strat Bomber?

-Have they better defensive machine guns against other planes than TacB but less than Heavy strat**?

Below is what I have in mind for change from previous values and to reduced to reasonable range heavy strat bomber and medium. Dark Skies showed that range and projection of power is to be limited for bombers.
This is made for 3 planes carrier game.

FIGHTER A2 D2-3 M4, same in SBR Cost 6
Air combat unit, Fighter as an Air Superiority aircraft: All hits are allocated to aircraft units first, if any available, then AAA, and finally other kind of units.
Fighter as part of an extended Air Defense System:
1 Fighter units receive +1 Defense if protecting a territory with an operational Air Base, (for 1942.2, 2 Fgs can scramble from an Air Base/Victory City instead.)
SBR/TcBR Attack @2, Defend @2, or even Defend @3 for 1 Fg if an operational Air Base is present.
Can scramble in adjacent SZ up to 4 Fgs: 3 defend @2 and 1 defend @3, getting the +1 Defense bonus from an operational Air Base.
Can hit unsubmerged submarines without Anti-Sub Vessel.

TACTICAL BOMBER A3 D2 M4 Cost 8
All hits are allocated to any ground units of your choice.
This can makes for Tactical Bomber as a “Dive Bomber” and “Tank Buster”:

SBR/TcBR Attack @2,
Allowed to do escort mission for Strategic Bomber without doing Tactical Bombing Raid on Air Base or Naval Base,
Cannot do interception mission on defense,
TcBR damage: 1D6.
Can hit unsubmerged submarines without Anti-Sub Vessel.

Medium BOMBER
Attack 2** AA1*
Defense 1
Move 6
Cost 8
*In regular combat, if any enemy’s aircraft, gets an additional Attack @1 against aircraft, each combat round.
All hits are allocated to any ground units of your choice

Strategic Bombing Raid
SBR/ TBR : Attack @1
SBR/ TBR damage: 1D6 on Industrial Complex, Air Base or Naval Base

Can hit unsubmerged submarines without Anti-Sub Vessel.
**Antisub air search and destruction (attacking sub by itself, with no DD to block Sub): on a 2 or less roll hit submarine before it submerge.

Heavy Strategic BOMBER
Attack 4 AA1*
Defense 1
Move 6
Cost 10
*In regular combat, if any enemy’s aircraft, gets an additional Attack 1 against aircraft, each combat round.
Strategic Bombing Raid
SBR/ TBR : Attack @1 first strike against up to 2 fighters, whichever the lesser, similar to AAA.
SBR/ TBR damage: 1D6+2 on Industrial Complex, Air Base or Naval Base
Can hit unsubmerged submarines without Anti-Sub Vessel.

Summary of SBR/TcBR escort and intercept combat values:
Fighter: Attack 2 Defense 2 or 3 (+1 to 1 Fg from an operational Air Base)
Tactical Bomber: Attack 2 Defense 0
Bomber Medium: Attack 1 Defense 0
Strategic Bomber Heavy: Attack 1 first strike, as AA gun against up to 2 Fgs, Defense 0

AA_Baron Munchhausen units & set-up charts for 1942 2ndEd_1941_AA50.doc

Do you think a PBY Catalina can be categorized as a medium bomber for game-play ?
Or it still be part of the long range and stronger payload of heavy bomber?
Loads: 4,000 lb (1,814 kg) of bombs or depth charges
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_PBY_Catalina#Specifications_.28PBY-5A.29

From what I understand, PBY Catalina payload was within medium bomber allowance but the range and length of the plane is in the lower spec of heavy bomber, am I right?

Do you think a PBM Mariner can be a medium bomber in game play?
Loads: 4,000 lb (1,800 kg) of bombs or depth charges
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_PBM_Mariner#Specifications_.28PBM-1.29

For example, a B-25 Mitchell Medium Bomber has a load of:
Hardpoints: 2,000 lb (900 kg) ventral shackles to hold one external Mark 13 torpedo
Bombs: 3,000 lb (1,360 kg) bombs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_B-25_Mitchell#Specifications_.28B-25H.29

B-24 Liberator has such a bomb load:
Short range (<400 mi [640 km]): 8,000 pounds (3,600 kg)
Long range (<800 mi [1,300 km]): 5,000 pounds (2,300 kg)
Very long range (<1,200 mi [1,900 km]): 2,700 pounds (1,200 kg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_B-24_Liberator#Specifications_.28B-24J.29

And a Heavy Bomber B-17 Flying Fortress can load these bombs:
Short range missions (<400 mi): 8,000 lb (3,600 kg)
Long range missions (≈800 mi): 4,500 lb (2,000 kg)
Overload: 17,600 lb (7,800 kg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-17_Flying_Fortress#Specifications_.28B-17G.29

Heavy Bomber Long Range Aircraft B-29 Superfortress can load up:
Bombs: 20,000 lb (9,000 kg) standard loadout.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-29_Superfortress#Specifications_.28B-29.29

Finally, Heavy Bomber Avro Lancaster can load up:
Maximum normal bomb load: 14,000 lb (6,350 kg) or 22,000 lb (9,979 kg) Grand Slam with modifications to bomb bay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Lancaster#Specifications_.28Lancaster_I.29

That idea is to get such Medium Bomber (with 2 engines sculpt) a special “historical ability” to be able to directly attack submarines like they were blocked by Destroyer unit :

Medium BOMBER
Attack 2** AA1*
Defense 1
Move 6
Cost 8
*In regular combat, if any enemy’s aircraft, gets an additional Attack @1 against aircraft, each combat round.
All hits are allocated to any ground units of your choice
Can hit unsubmerged submarines without Anti-Sub Vessel.
**Antisub air search and destruction (attacking sub by itself, with no DD to block Sub): on a 2 or less roll, hit submarine before it submerges.

-Does Medium bomber have better defensive machine guns against other planes than Tactical Bombers, but less than Heavy Bombers?

Here is finally my modifed set-up for G40 on two pages.
It also includes OOB set-up with the same presentation.

It will work for A2 D2 C7 Fg and TcB A3 D2 C8

Hope it can be useful eventually…

The conversion rule of thumb is:

Conversion Table (to Fighter A2 D2 C7 & TcB A3 D2 C8):
Allies: +11 Fgs + 3 TcBs +1 AAA vs  Axis: +8 Fgs + 6 TcBs

Soviet Union: 2 Fgs+ 1 TcB= +1 Fighter +1 TcB
United Kingdom: 6 Fgs+ 2 TcBs = +3 Fighters +1 TcB
United States: 6 Fgs + 1 TcB = +3 Fighters +1 TcB
ANZAC: 3 Fgs = +2 Fighters
China: 1 Fg = +1 Fighter + 1 AAA
France: 2 Fgs = +1 Fighter

Germany: 5 Fgs + 5 TcBs = +3 Fighters + 2 TcBs
Japan: 9 Fgs + 8 TcBs = +4 Fighters + 4 TcBs
Italy: 2 Fgs = +1 Fighter

OOB G40 Set up chart and Air Intensive Set Up.doc
OOB G40 Set up chart and Air Intensive Set Up.pdf

@Imperious:

its blank ( your file)

Nothing seems to work. Neither Word 2003 nor PDF version of it…

Is it my computer?
I even tried older version of above files and doesn’t work.

EDIT:
It doesn’t seem because I can send my files by email to my TAB4 and read them.

So, it is like A&A.ORG is not uploading files correctly.
I send good ones, but when I try to download it is empty.
Also, the number of K on files appear correctly on the post. (223 Ko .DOC and 131 Ko .PDF)

You found a problem Imperious Leader.

@Imperious:

perhaps you use dropbox and just provide a link rather than use the storage space from this site?

@P@nther:

@Baron:

There seems to be a problem with downloading new files.

Yes, it has started at least 24 hours ago. No more free space for uploading the files.

Please see

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=39413.0
and
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=39411.0

Looks like djensen needs to free up some space…

@Imperious:

its blank ( your file)

Finally, problem solved.

Thanks for the editorial comments.
I agree there is too much information in to short notice.

If you want to start somewhere, just download the first files.
In it, you get all the player’s sheet I use in game to know what a unit can do and to what cost and everything else.
There is no commentary in it, only rules and abilities.

Eventually, I will make another thread with the most recent development from Redesign project and play-tests.
This is a long work in progress develop along five years.

Thanks for this in depth analysis.
I will return read this post once I will get a clear idea about what is my inspired roster from Redesign.
Even Mech Artillery has been under microscope because Barney introduced it in G40 Triple A.

The 5 IPCs A0 StBs provided me a total paradigm shift.
Which is not included. Now StB my C5 will attack @1 against C6 or C7 Fg A2 D2.
There is two sets of rules according to which Fg you prefer.
Probably, Fg A3 D4 C10, would roll “2” or less to hit plane.
This TcB associated with special roll is not satisfying, “1” doing something, “2” something else not KISS.

On Destroyers vs Subs, you need see that if Subs is 5 IPCs, DDs is only 6 IPCs.
Pretty simpler to use.
Again Barney is developing on Triple A something a bit different but it can somehow give the feel of more elusive Subs.
DD A1 D1 M2 C5, with an anti-sub (patrol) roll both offense and defense @1.
It is almost ready.

Also, it looks like you’ve made submarines 1 IPC cheaper and given them a convoy raiding ability, without any real compensating disadvantages. You’ve changed the submerge ability, but on balance I think the submerge ability is still equally powerful. I think submarines are already a pretty good buy OOB at 6 IPCs, in part because they are the cheapest ship and therefore often the best available fodder.

One thing to know about Subs A2first strike A1 C5 is that loosing them on defense as fodder, is a pretty good news to the attacker. Because, if they submerge, they will gets a much better attack factor than DDs, and for 5 IPCs, pretty cheap to buy. Also, you cannot use them as fodder against other sub.
So, on offence, it is better to lose DDs because A2 first strike should be preserved.
On defense, it is better to use your Sub later, hence Submerging eventually.
And Subs cannot hit subs so you must pick DD as fodder instead.