Global 2nd edition Q+A ( AAG40.2)

@dazedwit

Here’s Europe https://www.hasbro.com/common/documents/60D52426B94D40B98A9E78EE4DD8BF94/01976084F8F14994BE3DA27CAF498033.pdf

Some Global Rules at the bottom

@barnee thank you, that section is missing from Pacific. I knew I read that in the past.

“You can’t move sea units through a canal or narrow strait that is controlled by a neutral territory or by a power which you at war”

• this sentence had me asking the question. Turkey is still neutral but now pro allied neutral so wanted to know if that changed anything.

“Turky begins the game as a neutral territory, so neither side may move through the Turkish Straits until Turkey is captured”

• Turkey is captured seems to answer this but it again references its neutral status. It’s that wording that made me curious.

I don’t think I’m the first to think that some of Krieg’s rulings have been rather mind blowing. This may or may not be one of them.

Krieg just popped into my last thread to tell someone what they said was very much against the rules - I’m glad he did because I was going to immediately start using it.

@dazedwit From page 9 of the Europe Rulebook:

If your side (but not necessarily your power) controlled a canal or narrow strait at the start of your turn, you may move sea units through it (you can’t use it in the same turn that you capture it). If a canal or narrow strait is controlled by a power not on your side, but with which you are not yet at war, you must ask permission to use it, which may be denied. You can’t move sea units through a canal or narrow strait that is controlled by a neutral territory or by a power with which you are at war.

From page 11 of the Europe Rulebook:

When a neutral territory is invaded, it’s no longer considered neutral and immediately becomes hostile to the alliance of the power that attacked it and friendly to the opposing alliance. For example, if Germany attacked Yugoslavia, Yugoslavia would join the Allies.

And also:

If the attack upon the formerly neutral territory is unsuccessful (the territory is not captured), any remaining defending units stay in the territory but can’t move. The territory remains uncontrolled (place a national control marker on it face down to indicate its new status) but is considered friendly to powers on the side it’s now allied with. Units belonging to those powers can move into it and take control of it and its remaining units in the same way as if it were a friendly neutral.

In your scenario, Italy attacks Turkey and fails to capture it, so Turkey joins the Allies (it doesn’t become a pro-Allies neutral), but it is not yet controlled by an Allied power. Obviously, Turkey is not controlled by the Axis at the beginning of Germany’s turn, so German units don’t have implicit permission to pass through the straits. If either ANZAC or France has taken control of Turkey, it is controlled by a power at war with Germany; otherwise it remains uncontrolled and the straits are not controlled by a power on the other side, so there is no one to ask permission of to pass, therefore permission cannot be granted. Either way, German sea units cannot move through the straits.

Hmm, I would think in the scenario that Italy attacks but fails to capture, then the allies would be allowed to pass through the strait, since Turkey has now joined the allies.

@simon33 As the rules in the first quote above require a canal/strait to be controlled by a friendly power (not just friendly), the Allies may not pass through either until Turkey becomes controlled by an Allied power.