AA.Org Official Alpha 3 Thread

@knp7765:

say it is possible that USSR could capture Southern France and/or Normandy-Bordeaux while France (Paris) is still in Axis hands.  As such, USSR would get to use the Minor ICs and Naval Bases in these two territories, plus get the IPC value of these territories until France is liberated, at which time they revert to French control.

umm…. can I get a rules clarification here, but I dont think that is possible. I thought that since (in game anyway) the Soviet Union is part of the Allies, capturing French territory (France being part of the allies as well) wouldnt do anything but liberate them from Axis control, with the IPC’s being idle(along with the IC’s) until Paris is brought back on-line with the liberation of Paris, or did I miss something? Krieghund please help here

@Clyde85:

@knp7765:

say it is possible that USSR could capture Southern France and/or Normandy-Bordeaux while France (Paris) is still in Axis hands.  As such, USSR would get to use the Minor ICs and Naval Bases in these two territories, plus get the IPC value of these territories until France is liberated, at which time they revert to French control.

umm…. can I get a rules clarification here, but I dont think that is possible. I thought that since (in game anyway) the Soviet Union is part of the Allies, capturing French territory (France being part of the allies as well) wouldnt do anything but liberate them from Axis control, with the IPC’s being idle(along with the IC’s) until Paris is brought back on-line with the liberation of Paris, or did I miss something? Krieghund please help here

You never “capture” a friendly territory. You can walkin (if still under friendly control) or you liberate (the friendly territory is under ennemy control). The “liberator” can collect IPC of any territory liberated if the capitol is under ennemy control. As soon as the capitol is freed all “original” territories are return to original owner.

Example 1 : USA don’t collect IPC for France’s or UK’s territory in Africa if Axis never control it before.
Example 2 : If Paris is liberated, than all French territories under USA/UK/Anzac/Russian control are return to France the moment Paris is free.

@BigBadBruce:

The “liberator” can collect IPC of any territory liberated if the capitol is under ennemy control. As soon as the capitol is freed all “original” territories are return to original owner.

Example 1 : USA don’t collect IPC for France’s or UK’s territory in Africa if Axis never control it before.
Example 2 : If Paris is liberated, than all French territories under USA/UK/Anzac/Russian control are return to France the moment Paris is free.

……is this a new thing?  :? I thought the rules specifically said that unless the capitol of is free the IPCs for that territory arent collected by the “liberating” force? Dont the new rules go to pains to mention that even IF British Indian forces liberate Egypt from the axis, they still dont get the money for it even if the Axis occupy London?

You bring another exception… India can never ever collect income from European Theater of war and, likewise, London never collect income from territories in Pacific theater of war.

In clear :

Paris is under Axis control, but Morocco still free, USA don’t collect income from walking in Morocco.
Paris is under Axis control, USA free Morocco from Axis control, USA put a control maker and collect 1… until Paris is free and therefore remove immediatly USA’s marker control. France will collect income from Morocca at their next turn.

Now about the UK exception.
London is free, if Egypt is liberated from Axis control than UK(London) will collect income of Egypt at their next turn.
London is under Axis control. If Egypt is liberated from Axis, that “Alliance Nation” will place its marker and collect income… EXCEPT if it’s UK(Calcutta) as Calcutta never collects from European theater of war, so in that case you don’t place a marker, you just remove the Axis marker from Egypt.

@Clyde85:

@BigBadBruce:

The “liberator” can collect IPC of any territory liberated if the capitol is under ennemy control. As soon as the capitol is freed all “original” territories are return to original owner.

Example 1 : USA don’t collect IPC for France’s or UK’s territory in Africa if Axis never control it before.
Example 2 : If Paris is liberated, than all French territories under USA/UK/Anzac/Russian control are return to France the moment Paris is free.

……is this a new thing?  :? I thought the rules specifically said that unless the capitol of is free the IPCs for that territory arent collected by the “liberating” force? Dont the new rules go to pains to mention that even IF British Indian forces liberate Egypt from the axis, they still don’t get the money for it even if the Axis occupy London?

I can’t find anything in Alpha 3 to dispute the OOB Rules, but they say the following:
If you capture a territory that was originally controlled by another member of your side you ‘liberate’ the territory. You don’t take control of it; instead, the orignal controller regains the territory and the national production level is adjusted. AA Guns, IC’s, AB, and/or NB in that territory revert to the original controller of the territory.
If the original controller’s (country whose territory you just liberated) capital is in enemy hands at the end of the turn in which you would otherwise have liberated the territory, you capture the territory, adjust your national production level, and you can use any AA Guns, IC’s, AB, and/or NB there until the orignal controller’s capital is liberated. The liberating player can’t use these newly liberated facilities until the player’s next turn.

Sorry if the rule was changed in any of the Alpha’s, just didn’t see anything in A+3, thought this might help.

Sorry, I fail to see how your post (Carnage) says otherwise than what I posted.

@BigBadBruce:

Paris is under Axis control, but Morocco still free, USA don’t collect income from walking in Morocco.
Paris is under Axis control, USA free Morocco from Axis control, USA put a control maker and collect 1… until Paris is free and therefore remove immediatly USA’s marker control. France will collect income from Morocca at their next turn.

I have never heard of this before, ever, is this new? I will still need confirmation from krieghund

@Clyde85:

@BigBadBruce:

Paris is under Axis control, but Morocco still free, USA don’t collect income from walking in Morocco.
Paris is under Axis control, USA free Morocco from Axis control, USA put a control maker and collect 1… until Paris is free and therefore remove immediatly USA’s marker control. France will collect income from Morocca at their next turn.

I have never heard of this before, ever, is this new? I will still need confirmation from krieghund

hasn’t this always been like that?

@Clyde85:

@BigBadBruce:

Paris is under Axis control, but Morocco still free, USA don’t collect income from walking in Morocco.
Paris is under Axis control, USA free Morocco from Axis control, USA put a control maker and collect 1… until Paris is free and therefore remove immediatly USA’s marker control. France will collect income from Morocca at their next turn.

I have never heard of this before, ever, is this new? I will still need confirmation from krieghund

Then, I suggest you post here : http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=24408.0
Krieghund is quick answering/confirming questions in the “Questions” thread.

@special:

@Clyde85:

@BigBadBruce:

Paris is under Axis control, but Morocco still free, USA don’t collect income from walking in Morocco.
Paris is under Axis control, USA free Morocco from Axis control, USA put a control maker and collect 1… until Paris is free and therefore remove immediatly USA’s marker control. France will collect income from Morocca at their next turn.

I have never heard of this before, ever, is this new? I will still need confirmation from krieghund

hasn’t this always been like that?

In AAG40 games yes. Not sure about previous version (classic, AAAE, both 1942’s…)

@BigBadBruce:

Sorry, I fail to see how your post (Carnage) says otherwise than what I posted.

Sorry mate, didn’t realize I couldn’t respond to something you had? Thought this was one of them there open forums… Sorry if that offends your sense of forum .
Posting what the rules actually say will probably mean someone doesn’t have to dig out the rule book. I always do if someone hasn’t posted what the rules say. If the rules couldn’t be misconstrued so frequently I wouldn’t have to double check what could be someones opinion of said rule.

C

I wasn’t referring to any posts from a moderator. If Clyde or 3B (just using them as examples) posted something in response to a question I had about Convoy Interdiction I would still double check the answer I received. Because I know I would double check I don’t bother posting questions on here very often. Almost 100% of the time the rules are clear and concise, just have to take the time to read them. I’d have to double check but I don’t think I’ve asked a question that wasn’t about painting my AA Pieces or Strategy related.

C

With these new rulesets will there be be a new edition printed and redistributed with updated map etc or is it just a new rule set that you have find online??
Just asking so I know if I have to save some cash.

Why do we keep getting these wierd posts that have nothing to do with Axis & Allies, Alpha +3, etc.?  Are these somehow traveling here from another forum?  Or do these guys just not realize what they are posting or where?

@knp7765:

Why do we keep getting these wierd posts that have nothing to do with Axis & Allies, Alpha +3, etc.?  Are these somehow traveling here from another forum?  Or do these guys just not realize what they are posting or where?

There seem to be quite some spammy posts today. Thing is, they keep getting weirder in content. :P
Someone here (was it IL?) was wondering if they were some kind of test-spams (i use the wrong terminology here), to see what gets through. Makes sense if they are, i guess.

@domicron:

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WTF Mate? what was that even about? I couldnt even find something tangentially related to Axis&Allies in that post.

On official bussiness, Jen, are they going to be re-releasing the A&A1940 games as a single entity with a new offical rule book based on the Alpha changes?