The Defense Of Britain

Suiciding the Italian fleet is certainly an option, and would definitely accomplish what you describe.
However on I1 none of the Italian airforce can attack the 92 stack, no landing place.
The significant weakening of the UK fleet would still be accomplished though.

But a free hand in the Med area for Italy is one of the big upsides to Sealion.  Sacrificing the Italian fleet for Sealion would minimize this advantage in a pretty big way.

Sargon -

You can’t move the Tac from Germ to 111 if you’re not buying a Carrier.
Also UK will scramble in 109, killing your sub and bomber in one turn, while probably losing the destroyer.  Stastically no scrambled fighters will be lost.
Also, if you stacked the subs in 109, UK would lose 8 IPCs total:
  6 for UK
  2 for Scotland

Sargon:

SZ 109 is weak.  England can scramble 3 fighters to defend and now you have 1 Submarine and 1 Strategic Bomber vs 1 Destroyer and 3 Fighters.

You may want to take that into concideration.  Take a look at your other battles, and see if this makes a difference in them as well.  I am not doing so because of this error here which I feel demonstrates that you have not taking all aspects into concideration.  AKA: I am not saying the others are valid or not.

Jim:

The OPTION to stack SZ 91 is there.  The other OPTION is to leave one surface ship there to prevent CM out and another in the way to prevent NCM to SZ 110, if you so choose.  But as I said, you don’t NEED SZ 110 for this, as you can easily get to SZ 109 without going through SZ 110.

You forgot to place units, will assume 9 infntry in England, 13 INfantry and a smattering of planes present.

Germany gets transports and infantry in preparation.

England moves to SZ 110

Germany sinks SZ 110, lands in Scotland

England cries

Germany invades G4.

Just how I see it.  If you leave all those planes to defend, I don’t need my planes to attack.  If you don’t leave your planes to defend, I won’t need my planes to sink the fleet.

I didn’t place yet.  I wanted feedback as to where the fleet would go.  I’m thinking a blocker in sz94 is prudent.  I like the idea of Italy suiciding into sz92, but doubt they would.  And a weakened UK fleet could still hit the German fleet in sz91 and win.

If there is nothing to add, then go with this map and add the 9 inf.

Go ahead and post a map.

uk1.AAM

Do you sink 110 with just planes then?
Because using navy would make the transports in 111 easily destroyed by what planes are left in London.  Even if you left a part of your navy.

Alternatively if you put the German Navy in 111, you could still take 110 with the sacrifice of a couple planes.  Just curious.

If we’re not hitting 110 on G1, what are others’ thoughts on this G1 lay-out?  Just thought it improved on a couple of the plane/troop distributions.

With this spread, both Normandy and France have much higher win %‘s, and therefore more force gets preserved for later turns.
The naval battles are still fairly assured.
Just wondering what others’ thoughts were on this.

G1 potential.AAM

Let’s go with one at a time.

Right right, I agree.  Just curious.

Also Jim, I had an idea on the UK side.

If in this situation, in which there is 1 sub in 106 and 1 in 91, could UK:

send the 109 DD to 106, clearing that zone (hopefully)
send the 109 TT to 106 in non-com, to get that Inf/Arm
use the 110 CA to block in 104

Sure it’s a bit pricier in naval units, but it replaces a UK2 inf with an arm.  Seems like a positive exchange for UK’s defense.

@Alsch91:

Also Jim, I had an idea on the UK side.

If in this situation, in which there is 1 sub in 106 and 1 in 91, could UK:

send the 109 DD to 106, clearing that zone (hopefully)
send the 109 TT to 106 in non-com, to get that Inf/Arm
use the 110 CA to block in 104

Sure it’s a bit pricier in naval units, but it replaces a UK2 inf with an arm.  Seems like a positive exchange for UK’s defense.

It is a little riskier, but the extra tank could make a difference in the hit and fade on Scotland UK 3

Not sure if it would be beneficial or not.  The idea of hitting the British fleet is more to kill planes than to kill boats.  The decision on the German fleet can be made at that time.  Or, as I said, the British fleet can be ignored as it is immaterial to Operation Sea Lion. (Just sail to SZ 109 and ignore it.)

I don’t mean to interrupt the thread, but I have to agree with Stalingradski. Barbarossa is a better strategy.

#1 It’s a more reliable strategy
#2 It’s far more fun to recreate the Eastern Front!
#3 If you do Sea-lion, you risk being set back on the Eastern Front

On number three, don’t you realize that if you do a G4 sea-lion, Russia can take the three German border territories for a gain of 17 IPCs to use for more turtling later, I don’t care if you have 100 IPCs, you don’t have anyone on the front! And if Japan builds a Major IC in Korea, then the US knows it doesn’t need to pay that much attention to Japan, so America joins the Europe theater!

I realize this, I just don’t care.

With 6 Mechanized Infantry, 4 Armor headed into Russia per round from Japan and a 60 IPC Germany the Russians, even with 60 IPC themselves, won’t hold out long.  If I have Italy suicide out to weaken the British, I can also use 20 IPC a round for them to help bolster my attacks.

Nice thing: Italy takes a plot of land, Germany can stack and land on it.  Makes the front easier. They can do this regardless, but without England to worry about, Germany only has a 1 front war for a long time.

Well, If Japan pours that much money into its one factory, they are easy pickings for the US.

I don’t think UK should block the Italian fleet, all things considered having Italy suicide their fleet is a positive, any way you slice it for UK, especially since it won’t cost aircraft.

What ground units did UK bring over to Gib?  What are they planning on bringing to UK via the trn?  Considering Germany cannot capture Gib, I don’t think they will try to do more than block with a CA off Gib and possibly a BB in sz104.  Its going to be hard for UK to still get to London then.

1 Infantry, 1 Artillery and 3 Fighters were declared for Gibraltar.

@KillOFzee:

Well, If Japan pours that much money into its one factory, they are easy pickings for the US.

They already are.

Rather than wait, here are the propoesed Italian moves.

It1.AAM

No input on Italy?

Here is Italy’s final move.

It1.AAM

Go ahead, Jenn.

What’s your G2 look like?

Jim and Jen,

Could you two please post a link to the odds calculator you each are using?

There is an app for the iphone.

Ah, then you must mean you are using this one, http://www.dskelly.com/misc/aa/aasim.html ?