• I don’t think UK should block the Italian fleet, all things considered having Italy suicide their fleet is a positive, any way you slice it for UK, especially since it won’t cost aircraft.

    What ground units did UK bring over to Gib?  What are they planning on bringing to UK via the trn?  Considering Germany cannot capture Gib, I don’t think they will try to do more than block with a CA off Gib and possibly a BB in sz104.  Its going to be hard for UK to still get to London then.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    1 Infantry, 1 Artillery and 3 Fighters were declared for Gibraltar.

    @KillOFzee:

    Well, If Japan pours that much money into its one factory, they are easy pickings for the US.

    They already are.

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    Rather than wait, here are the propoesed Italian moves.

    It1.AAM

  • Customizer

    No input on Italy?

    Here is Italy’s final move.

    It1.AAM

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    Go ahead, Jenn.

    What’s your G2 look like?


  • Jim and Jen,

    Could you two please post a link to the odds calculator you each are using?

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    There is an app for the iphone.


  • Ah, then you must mean you are using this one, http://www.dskelly.com/misc/aa/aasim.html ?


  • I think building FTR for ITaly is going to give the most help to the London attack, Perhaps he will be needed to clear blockers on I2 or even as a defensive unit after the capture on I3.

    I think Germ should send both the CA and BB to block and build a dd or perhaps 2.  It might be necessary then to put the fleet with CV in sz113 to stay safe from Allied air.  Germany’s objective is to block the relief of England, UK’s objective is to sink those TRNS!

    Also, based on the results, provided UK can safeguard sz 106, wouldn’t it be better to build 1 trn in Canada, then he can bring 9ipcs of units over the next round.  Who cares if he dies at that point, he has increased your def of Britain.  Basically spending 7ipcs to bring in an inf/Arm.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    I think Italy leaving units in France to clear SZ 110 is a good idea.  I am not sure if blocking the British is necessary, however.  What can they realistically accomplish?


  • To block or not to block, that is the question:

    the advantages to blocking, you stand a good chance of depriving those troops in Africa from reaching UK.  You have a decent chance at shooting down a UK plane or 2 on the way over too.  However, the ships are really immaterial to Londons defense, and the aircraft can reach London whether you block or not, and if UK clears both sz’s in combat he can still get the trn troops to london.

    On the other hand, what advantages do those Germ ships really provide, 2 shore bombards?  More likely they are used as blockers to keep UK from recapturing london anyways.  Either way a dd build here is needed.

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    Is there a G2 coming, or should I do it myself?

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    We’re only talking 1 Infantry, 1 AA Gun that you could, theoretically, block.


  • right, 1 inf 1 arm, 5 defensive pips.  Perhaps its not worth it because those ships can account for 7 bombarding pips.  Best watch out for those UK ships though, he could possibly do something nasty with them…

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    @jim010:

    Is there a G2 coming, or should I do it myself?


  • Well I’m just glad you guys waited until I woke up to continue, that way we can get input from me and others.  We are trying to put together the optimal offense and def on London correct?  Sorry I slept in, but I was working till 330am last night.:(

    I think G2 should be 1 dd, as many trns as possible, and perhaps an art if theres enough left.  Move army to coast of Atlantic, and hopefully invade Scotland!

    ***second edit:
    Scotland doesn’t look safe at all though, Mostly because UK can counter with aircraft, 2 shore bombards and troops.  Perhaps leave 1 Germ CA off Gib?  Can the Germ fleet survive if it is 1 CV 2 ftr 1 BB?  Best army to land in Scotland is 5 inf aa gun.  If the fleet can be saved, then I think this is a good move, it draws UK attention and perhaps you get lucky and shoot down a ftr before the defense of London.

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    It is important to point out that we assumed the CA in sz91 died.  50% of the games it will be alive and the sb dead.  Something when considering sea attacks with the UK.

    Also, Germany CANNOT stack in sz91.  It will be destroyed and it will not have cost me any planes to do it.


  • Ah, I wasn’t thinking about the UK CA.  My Germ opening leaves it alone for better odds elsewhere.  I think the Germ fleet should build in 113 and move to East coast of scotland.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    @jim010:

    Is there a G2 coming, or should I do it myself?

    Fighter build for Italy

    SS, DD, Fig, Tac to SZ 93
    2 Inf, 2 Art, Arm, Fig to S> Fra
    2 CA, BB, 8 Inf, Arm to Gre
    3 Inf, Art, Mi, Arm to Alex

    Results:

    Alex twol
    SZ 93 cleared with loss of submarine
    S. France taken with loss of infantry
    Greece taken with loss of infantry


    Germany:

    Buy(70)

    • 4 Submarines
    • 3 Destroyers
    • 1 Airbase
    • Save 7

    Combat Moves:

    Infantry from Germany to England
    2 Infantry from W. Germany to England
    Artillery, 2 Armor from W. France to England
    Cruiser, Battleship, Fighter, Tactical, Carrier to SZ 110
    (Bombards if no Scramble)
    4 Fighters, 4 Tactical Bombers, Strategic from W. Germany to England
    Submarine from SZ 111 to SZ 104
    Submarine from SZ 91 to SZ 104

    Assuming no Scramble:

    England: Taken with Armor, 3 Fighters, 3 Tactical Bombers, Strategic Bomber
    SZ 104 cleared iwth submarine

    Collect: 47 TT + 5 London + 5 Sweeden + 5 Russia + 7 Saved = 69 IPC



    Operation Sea Lion - Success!  Oktoberfest held in July!!!


    Germany2.AAM

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Map edit to demonstrate NCMs on Eastern Front.

    Germany2.AAM

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