Re: Field Marshal Games Pieces Project Discussion thread

Any specifics on unit types for Germany?

@Bob_A_Mickelson:

I believe that currently the release is scheduled as:

1. Italy
2. Germany
3. USA

Then the order has not been announced yet with the exception of the Gray non nation specific pieces which will be last. FMGs has said they hope to be able to continue to release new sets every 6 weeks or so depending on sales.

P.S. If this is incorrect please correct me FMG.
P.S.S. Thanks for being willing to put up the capital and risk for this project. I hope you make boatloads of profit for your efforts.

This is all correct!  Thank you Bob

I think FMG should do France next after USA so they can correct WOTC’s error and give France their own specific units instead of just blue copies of Soviet equipment.  After all, that’s one reason they decided to start with Italy, because WOTC had them using German and Japanese equipment.  I would love to see the French classes of ships, tanks and planes that reloader-1 suggested in the Table Tactics thread.

What about doing French, Chinese and Neutrals one set combined? For the french you need mostly fighter,one bomber, navy, one tank, artillery, infantry, truck, and armoured car. For the chinese… infantry, armoured car and artillery, maybe one tank. Almost the same for neutrals… You can join the 3 in one set.

Another thing I would like to see created is a set of commonwealth units ( Australian, Canadian and Indian specific units) with infantry in their specific uniforms and their fighters/tanks/artillery. I remember the canadian ram tank and the australian boomerang fighter but there are lots of other units produced by these countries, mostly tanks, armoured cars and trucks.

@Dagon81:

What about doing French, Chinese and Neutrals one set combined? For the french you need mostly fighter,one bomber, navy, one tank, artillery, infantry, truck, and armoured car. For the chinese… infantry, armoured car and artillery, maybe one tank. Almost the same for neutrals… You can join the 3 in one set.

Can’t do them all in one mold unless they’re all the same color though.  So while they could be sold in a single set they would still require 3 sets of molds (which means waiting 3x as long for that one set).

I’d say keep these for the end.  Get the major 6 done first, as that has the most appeal and useability between games.

@Rorschach:

Get the major 6 done first, as that has the most appeal and useability between games.

Yep, I agree.

I say do the “major 7,” with France being a higher priority, certainly, than Commonwealth or neutrals!  …I might prioritize them higher than some of the “big 6!”  Then again, waiting so long on France might give TT an opening to try his own approach, and if the specific units types between TT and FMG are different enough… so much the better!  I’d love to see him try a set with no infantry at all, but more tank and ship types!

@DrLarsen:

I say do the “major 7,” with France being a higher priority, certainly, than Commonwealth or neutrals!  …I might prioritize them higher than some of the “big 6!”  Then again, waiting so long on France might give TT an opening to try his own approach, and if the specific units types between TT and FMG are different enough… so much the better!  I’d love to see him try a set with no infantry at all, but more tank and ship types!

We are doing the Major 6 nations before anything else.  Then we will do France, ANZAC etc…

Use the red Japanese pieces from the original AA Pacific as Canadians.

i never got the red jap from pacfic or the green uk from europe

I have some of the red Japanese pieces from the earlier version of A&A Pacific.  In fact, I’m trying to sell that game on eBay right now.  I also got a few of the burgandy Soviet pieces which I guess are from early versions of A&A Europe.  However, I have never seen the green British pieces.  I would like to get some of those for my personal collection.  I’ve got British in several shades: 
the current tan pieces,
some dark tan/beige pieces from early A&A Pacific,
another shade of tan that seems to have a slight pink tint to it,
a sort of cream color,
and some that are nearly white from D-Day.  Of course, those don’t include any of the ships.

The green British pieces would be a nice addition.  So, for anyone else who has seen them, what shade of green were they?

i geuse a lime green, ya thats what i thought to

The green British pieces would be a nice addition.  So, for anyone else who has seen them, what shade of green were they?

If you pick up a set of TT’s “New Colors” set of A&A Accessories, he’s got a few runners of his stuff in a very close approximation of that green.  To my eyes it’s like halfway between the Americans’ olive green and the UK tan.  The World’s Forge Japanese are somewhat close, but brighter.

Yeah, I have probably 2-3 sets worth of red Japanese, but I’ve found both the burgundy Russians and green Brits VERY hard to find, even on ebay.  I have, maybe, 1 full set’s worth of each.  The green Brits were the hardest of all to find, I think.

Oh yeah.  I’ve got some of those Table Tactics pieces.  They are sort of a light, pale green.  Close to the current Chinese infantry but without the slight yellow tint.

I wonder why WOTC made these odd colors at first (red Japanese, burgandy Soviets, green Brits) just to turn around and change them to the more “normal” colors.  I mean, the Revised edition of A&A came out first, right?  Before A&A Pacific and A&A Europe.  In the Revised edition, as far as I know, all the forces were in the “normal” colors with the Soviets being maroon, the Japs being burnt orange and the Brits being tan.  So, they already knew what color the forces were supposed to be before they came out with Europe and Pacific.  Yet they went and made these odd colored versions and then changed to the regular versions.  Were they just trying to make a few hard-to-find collectible items before going into more regular production?

Europe & Pacific came out before Revised.

No, A&A: Europe was released in 1999. Pacific was released in 2001. Revised came out in March of 2004.

Well that makes a little more sense.  So when they first made Europe and Pacific, there was no real set color for the forces.  Then when Revised came out and they kind of set a pattern for each country’s color, they probably issued newer versions of Europe and Pacific with the new colors, making the older ones with Red Japanese, Burgandy Soviets and Green Brits obsolete.

The funny thing is the original Europe & Pacific already had a nice tan color for the UK forces.

When Revised first came out, the UK was greenish and Germany was gray. They switched over to more modern colors in the 2nd Revised printing.

i believe sea foam is the term commonly used for it.

According to the notes I’ve kept over the years, the evolution of the sculpt colours in the A&A games (I have all of them from the Milton Bradley edition onward) went more or less as follows:

United States: In the Milton Bradley edition, the U.S. troops were dark olive green and the equipment sculpts were dark brownish green.  The current basic U.S. colour of medium green was first used for both troops and equipment in AAEurope.  The medium green colour has seen a few shading differences over the years, especially in the troops sculpts, but the biggest variation in this practice was the use of two U.S. troop colours in AAPacific: medium green for standard troops and dark green for Marines.

Great Britain: The A&A rules have generally described the British pieces as being “tan,” but the actual sculpts that have come with the games have used different interpretations of this colour over the years – and have deviated wildly from it in some cases.  In the Milton Bradley edition, the British troop sculpts were medium tan and the equipment pieces were what could be called pale beige.  In the AAEurope and AAPacific, the British troop pieces stayed medium tan and the equipment pieces now matched them in colour.  The British troop and equipment sculpts then went all over the place for a while: they were pale cream in D-Day, pale lime green in Revised and salmon pink in Bulge.  Things finally settled down with Anniversary because from that point onward British troop and equipment pieces have been issued in a light tan colour almost identical to the pale beige of the Milton Bradley equipment pieces.  (They’ve also been issued in a so-called “dark tan” version to depict ANZAC forces in Pacific 1940, but that’s another story.)

Soviet Union: Russia’s troop pieces in the Milton Bradley edition were dark chocolate brown and its equipment pieces were a slightly lighter shade of the same colour.  In AAEurope, all the Russian sculpts were a medium shade of burgundy purple; since Revised, they’ve been a darker shade of the same colour.

Germany: In the Milton Bradley edition, Germany’s troop sculpts were medium grey and its equipment sculpts were a slightly lighter shade of the same colour.  Beginning with AAEurope and ending approximately with Revised (my notes are a bit unclear about this point), German troop pieces were a kind of gunmetal bluish-black and most German equipment sculpts were similarly toned (though a few were also issued in dark grey).  The use of outright black for all the German pieces seems to have started with Bulge and continued thereafter.

Japan: The colours used for Japan in the Milton Bradley edition can be described as amber (or medium butterscotch) for the troops and pale butterscotch for the equipment.  All of Japan’s sculpts were cherry red in AAPacific; they’ve been dark burnt orange from Revised onward.

Italy, China, ANZAC and France: All of these are recent additions to the A&A sculpt range.  Their respective colours are medium brown for Italy, lime green for China, “dark tan” – actually more of a grey colour – for ANZAC and dark blue for France.  There has been no colour variation either between games in the case of Italy and China (which appear in both Anniversary and Global 1940) or between the troop and equipment sculpts of a given country (which is a non-issue in the case of China because it only has troop pieces).