Chinese rural economy

[The Hessian]

Hey Folks,
page 10 of the Pacific Rulebook (2nd Ed.) states that:
“If a Japanese industrial complex is built on a Chinese territory and that territory is later recaptured by the Chinese or liberated by another Allied power, the industrial complex is removed from the game.”
So far, so good. (And very funny as we’ve discovered during our last game! :-D )
But what happens to other facilities like axis build airfields or ports in such a case?

[Private-Panic]

On the same page, Hessian, it says: “If China captures a territory containing an air or naval base, China takes control of the base. It can use an operative AB to extend it’s fighter’s movement by one (but not to scramble it), but it cannot use a naval base or repair damage to any base. Of course other allied powers may use Chinese controlled bases normally”.

Cheers
PP

[teslas]

I think this has been covered elsewhere before, in fact I’m sure, but what about the last edge case: the chinese take Kwangtung that has had a mIC placed on it, whether by JP or UK or whomever else. What then?

[Private-Panic]

If the Chinese take Kwangtung, teslas, it reverts to the British, so any factory / bases there are then the UK’s.

The Chinese are allowed into Burma and Kwangtung even though they are not Chinese territories.

[teslas]

I left out the part where India had already fallen.

[Witt]

The Chinese can control it, if India is occupied. The IC remains and cannot be used by China.

[calvinhobbesliker]

Can the Chinese place unlimited inf/art in Hong Kong the turn they occupy it? I assume so?

[Private-Panic]

Yes - as in any Chinese territory or Burma too.

Always seems a hell of an advantage to China to me, but that’s how it is!

[teslas]

I thought china could only spawn units in originally controlled chinese territories that they control at the end of their turn… time to pull out the rule book.

[Private-Panic]

@teslas:

I thought china could only spawn units in originally controlled chinese territories that they control at the end of their turn… time to pull out the rule book.

Sorry - to clarify - if India is gone then China can own Burma and Kwangtung, as established slightly earlier in the thread.

My last response built on that to the effect that they can then place units in Burma and Kwangtung at the end of their turn.

Cal… says occupy a territory, which need not mean owning it, so in the case of occupying but not owning I was wrong.

[teslas]

It seemed to me that you might have been claiming that you could place new units in Kwangtung/Burma as China at the end of your turn. If you did not intend to mean that, then I misunderstood. If you did mean that, then it was indeed a wrong thing to say.

Page 10 of Pacific rulebook:

“New Chinese units can be mobilized on any Chinese territory that is controlled by China”
“However, Kwangtung and Burma are special cases. Although they are not Chinese territories…”

Either way, now I know for sure.

edit-
But I do not see this text quoted above:

“If China captures a territory containing an air or naval base, China takes control of the base. It can use an operative AB to extend it’s fighter’s movement by one (but not to scramble it), but it cannot use a naval base or repair damage to any base. Of course other allied powers may use Chinese controlled bases normally”

Am I not looking at the right book? Pacific 1940 2nd Ed.?

[calvinhobbesliker]

Hmm, the rulebook says the following:

“New Chinese units can be mobilized on any Chinese territory that is controlled by China, including those captured in the current turn.”

and

“However, Kwangtung and Burma are special cases. Although they are not Chinese territories, Chinese forces can move into them.”

Thus, since Burma and Hong Kong are not Chinese, China can’t place units there, even if they control them and India has been captured.

[Private-Panic]

@calvinhobbesliker:

Hmm, the rulebook says the following:

“New Chinese units can be mobilized on any Chinese territory that is controlled by China, including those captured in the current turn.”

and

“However, Kwangtung and Burma are special cases. Although they are not Chinese territories, Chinese forces can move into them.”

Thus, since Burma and Hong Kong are not Chinese, China can’t place units there, even if they control them and India has been captured.

I think both teslas and Cal… are quoting the same part of the rulebook here. Two sentences on from your rules quote there is another sentence which says: “China can even temporarily control them, but only if it recaptures them from the Axis while India is under Axis control.” I take that to mean that for as long as under China “control”, rather than merely occupied by Chinese forces, they are in effect Chinese territories and so eligible for placement of units. If you know for certain that I am wrong and you are both right then do tell me, so that I play the game correctly.

If, however, this is a rule interpretation uncertainty, let’s get Panther’s diktat. :-)

Edit - Actually this is a similarity to France is it not? Until Paris is liberated other allies can mobilise in territories (with factories) they control in France. My head hurts!

[Private-Panic]

@teslas:

But I do not see this text quoted above:

“If China captures a territory containing an air or naval base, China takes control of the base. It can use an operative AB to extend it’s fighter’s movement by one (but not to scramble it), but it cannot use a naval base or repair damage to any base. Of course other allied powers may use Chinese controlled bases normally”

Am I not looking at the right book? Pacific 1940 2nd Ed.?

Hi teslas

In my Pacific 1940 2nd Edition rulebook it is paragraph 4 of “China Rules” on page 10. Is your rulebook different?

Cheers
PP

[The Hessian]

@Private:

On the same page, Hessian, it says: “If China captures a territory containing an air or naval base, China takes control of the base. It can use an operative AB to extend it’s fighter’s movement by one (but not to scramble it), but it cannot use a naval base or repair damage to any base. Of course other allied powers may use Chinese controlled bases normally”.

Cheers
PP

Sorry Private Panic, but in my version of the rules – A&A Pac 1940 2nd Ed.; downloaded from Axisandallies . org – there is no such passage. That’s why I’m asking. And it seams that teslas couldn’t find it either. But maybe there’s something missing…

But anyway, since only ICs were mentioned in the rules, I’ve assumed that China could use these bases.

[Private-Panic]

Mmmm! I’ve PMed Panther about the differences in rule books.

He might also help us with the different interpretations of unit placement in Burma / Kwangtung if “controlled” by China. :-)

Cheers
PP

[Panther]

@Private:

Mmmm! I’ve PMed Panther about the differences in rule books.

I’m afraid I cannot comment on the differences in the rulebook, as I did not know that two versions existed.

Anyway it’s in the official FAQ:

@FAQ:

Q. What happens if China captures a territory containing an air or naval base?
A. China takes control of the base. It can use an operative air base to extend its fighter’s movement
range by one, but it cannot use a naval base or repair damage to any base. Of course, other Allied
powers may use Chinese-controlled bases normally.

@Private:

He might also help us with the different interpretations of unit placement in Burma / Kwangtung if “controlled” by China. :-)

This is determined by the rulebook:

@rulebook:

New Chinese units can be mobilized on any
Chinese territory that is controlled by China, including
those captured in the current turn.

Burma and Kwangtung are no Chinese territories, so China can never place units there.

[Private-Panic]

Thanks very much P@nther. :-)

[Krieghund]

I try to make whatever little fixes I can in the rulebooks whenever I’m notified that there’s a new print run in the works (which doesn’t always happen).  These fixes are pretty much for clarity, and you won’t find anything in them that isn’t covered in the FAQs.  Generally, the downloadable rulebooks on the website are the most up-to-date versions.

[The Hessian]

Thanks everyone for your help!