Which factions? Please cite your sources saying that there were still factions believing the note to be fake after two public admissions by Zimmermann himself that it was genuine.
factions for not going to war and for going to war.
Which ones? Where is your source? Did these factions actually still believe the note was fake after Zimmermann’s two admissions it was real? Where is your source?
It is common knowledge that when the note was first released, American public thought it was trick by the British to draw us into war. The American public was still against the war until latter when the note was proven to be authentic. If you knew anything about this period you would have known that.
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So regardless of whether or not it triggered the war, do you admit that unrestricted submarine warfare was overall a more important factor?
In other words, if the note was the last straw, was unrestricted sub warfare a bigger pile of straw?
So in order words you are beginning to admit the note caused the war ( triggered it?)
Dude.
Yep i know truth is hard to swallow.
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Quote from: Imperious Leader on January 08, 2013, 02:11:20 pm
The note was what triggered the war. When on this earth will you stop dancing around this white elephant?
It can be admitted that it was the “last straw,” but for the last straw to matter, there has to be many other straws. No one is saying the Zimmerman telegram is totally irrelevant, but please find a source (if you can) that states that as being a more important reason than USW (don’t forget that the note was sent because Germany was planning on resuming USW)
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But it was the trigger for war, keep avoiding the truth.
That was post 22. That was 3 pages ago.
Quote from: Imperious Leader on Today at 02:53:16 pm
I made no definite claims about anything except what was the final straw, the note.
Dude.
I hope this is just your ignorance shining forth and not your lying habit.
I’m going to be adding a lot of bold and underline to highlight how erroneous your above quote is (I suspect it’s intentionally erroneous, trying to cover your tracks, backtracking and saying ‘I never said that’ and giving lame excuses for how such and such was meant to be interpreted differently).
Keep making fluff arguments knowing all the while that the note triggered the war.
Quote from: Imperious Leader on January 08, 2013, 02:11:20 pm
What you seem to keep missing is that the note drew US into the war not unrestricted submarine warfare.
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Right and in this case, the note was the most important factor. It caused our entry in the war. No denying that.
Quote from: Imperious Leader on January 08, 2013, 07:23:02 pm
It takes many decades of reflection to sort out the causes, and everybody knows the Note was the major contribution. Just acknowledge that and move on.
Quote from: Imperious Leader on January 08, 2013, 07:23:02 pm
I only said the Zimmerman note was the vital influence to draw US into war. Now if you want to create new arguments in an effort to bury the truth that the Zimmerman Note was the key factor and not UNRESTRICTED SUBMARINE WARFARE, OR THIS NEW THING YOU INVENT.
OK, four is enough. I might be able to find more, but the point is clear.
Right and i am right in that the note triggered the war. It was the final straw.
If all of these are just mistakes on your part and all you ever meant to say was the the note was simply the last straw and you never meant to say the note was the most important factor, then you really have no business posting on an English forum as you have no functional command of the language to speak of.
If adding yet another erroneous admission that you have wasted 50% of your total post count arguing against thet fact that the note was the final trigger that caused our entry into the war, then my god have mercy on your smoke and mirrors soul.
Quote from: Imperious Leader on Today at 02:53:16 pm
USW was not it, it would take that note to solidify public opinion not sinking merchant ships because that was too distant to hit home for the American people.
Where is your proof of that?
According to World History, 5th Edition (McDougal Littell, 1997), “When the Germans returned to unrestricted submarine warfare in 1917, they knew their decision would lead to war with the United States.” Did they know the telegram would get out? � Or did they know that destroying US shipping would cause the US to join? We both know the answer is the second one. Are you adult enough to admit it?
More smoke and mirrors? The note triggered the war.
I have been agreeing all along the the Zimmerman note was important in America going to war. It’s quite possibly the event that took things over the edge. But, things had to have been pushed to the edge in the first place, and from the sources, unrestricted submarine warfare overall pushed much further than the note. You can claim the note was the most important, that it pushed more than USW did, and then say that you never made those claims when the evidence starts piling up against you, but it doesn’t change the fact that the sources we have clearly point to USW as being more significant.
Wrong as usual. If that were true the British would never have needed to bring up the Note because USW events would have alone drawn the US into war. The British had to play their last card and make it known that they broke the German code. The note triggered the war not USW.