ANTI-TANK UNIT

[empireman]

Hey I just thought of this, we would have a new class of units.
Air,Navy,Land, and Armor units.

There would be:

Light Tank:
A:2
D:2
M:2
C:5

Heavy Tank:
A:3
D:3
M:2
C:6

SPG:
Attack:3
Defense:2
M:2
C:7
Combined arms: Support Infantry

Tank Destroyer:
A:2
D:2
M:2
C:6
Every 1 rolled, remove a mech or tank

[techroll42]

Sounds cool.

[CWO Marc]

@empireman:

Hey I just thought of this, we would have a new class of units.
Air,Navy,Land, and Armor units.

I’m a bit puzzled by the terminology.  Armour units (in the sense of tanks, SPGs and so forth) are all ground combat vehicles, so they’re a subcategory of Land units rather than a separate category.

[empireman]

@CWO:

@empireman:

Hey I just thought of this, we would have a new class of units.
Air,Navy,Land, and Armor units.

I’m a bit puzzled by the terminology.  Armour units (in the sense of tanks, SPGs and so forth) are all ground combat vehicles, so they’re a subcategory of Land units rather than a separate category.

Navy, Air, Foot, Armor

[Gargantua]

Foot, Armor

lol…

[knp7765]

I don’t think the SPG should cost 7. SPGs were generally cheaper to build than tanks. They should at least cost 6.

[Rorschach]

@techroll42:

Infantry are now outdated, artillery are outdated, mechs are essentially outdated, save for blitzing tanks are outdated, planes are nearly outdated.

This tbh.

I’m all for customization and house rules in a game, but considering the scale of the game an “armor” unit is not JUST tanks and would definately include SPG’s and other armored + softskinned vehicles.  To add a unique Motorized/Armored Anti Tank unit starts to get into a bit too much specialization if you ask me … especially since having such a unit under the suggestions here would, as techroll states pretty neatly, make all other land units outdated (ie : worthless)

Now, that’s not to say that they can’t be implemented well.  I just think on a D6 set of rules at this scale it will be difficult, unless you’re revamping EVERY section of the armed forces to compensate.

[CWO Marc]

@empireman:

@CWO:

@empireman:

Hey I just thought of this, we would have a new class of units.
Air,Navy,Land, and Armor units.

I’m a bit puzzled by the terminology.  Armour units (in the sense of tanks, SPGs and so forth) are all ground combat vehicles, so they’re a subcategory of Land units rather than a separate category.Â

Navy, Air, Foot, Armor

Substituting “Armour” for “Land units” creates the problem that it leaves out the artillery pieces and the half-tracks, both of which are land units and neither of which are armoured.

[techroll42]

@Rorschach I was referring only to the SPG idea that was 2 atk 2 def 1 move 3 cost.

I like the idea in principle of a $5 SPG, but making it less than that is bad.

[Rorschach]

@techroll42:

@Rorschach I was referring only to the SPG idea that was 2 atk 2 def 1 move 3 cost.

I like the idea in principle of a $5 SPG, but making it less than that is bad.

Ah, I misread.

Even still, I really think the SPG/Anti-Tank unit needs some serious thought and consideration into its values and abilities (and anything less than 5 ipc cost is too little for sure) and probably a revamping many/most other units to account for this new unit.

It’s a great idea … in theory.  In practice, I think it needs a lot of playtesting and thought.

[Gargantua]

I think incorporating TRAINS would be a superior addition, over splitting the hairs between SPG/Tanks/AT-Guns.

[Derek]

Honestly those who are wanting to split those hairs should be playing A&A miniatures

Railroads would be a nice addition however (USSR trans-Siberian for an example)

[Commander JayVon]

@Gargantua:

I think incorporating TRAINS would be a superior addition, over splitting the hairs between SPG/Tanks/AT-Guns.

Mechanized artillery (SPA, whatever) should definitively be added, but I’m with you, I’m itchin’ for some railroads.

I remember seeing a somewhat decent model on the Harris Game Design forums;

http://www.harrisgamedesign.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=2264

Perhaps you guys have already seen it, but I personally like it. What are your thoughts?

[Derek]

Railway stations acting like airbases and naval bases are an excellent idea

+1 movement to any land unit starting in a territory with a railway station

[techroll42]

YES!!!

But I think it should be 2 for every unit–trains move at a certain speed (2 per turn) whether or not they’re carrying tanks or infantry. But +1 fits the base model…

IDK.
Cost?
Bombable?

[techroll42]

Ooh…another idea: Scramble Defense Team.

If a territory is being invaded, up to 3 land units from a neighboring tt with an operational railroad station can scramble (like planes).

[Derek]

Railhead

Cost: 12
HP: 5
Any SBR damage renders that railhead inoperable until repaired. Pay 1 IPC to repair 1 damage marker.
Each railhead has built in AA. (Similar to ICs and naval/air bases)
Each ground unit starting in a territory with a Railhead gets +1 movement in either combat or nonconbat moves. (Similar to air and naval bases respectively)
During non-combat move only; any number of ground units may move from one undamaged friendly Railhead to another, provided that there is a direct land route of friendly territorys between them.

EDIT: HP = 5

[techroll42]

5 hp

[Derek]

@techroll42:

5 hp

5 is better now that i think about it:

airbases/naval bases and minor ICs have 6 hp but anything 3 or above takes it out of service. Thus a maxed damage base or minor takes 4 IPC to bring it back online.
Any damage to a railway renders it inoperable, so a maxed damaged Railhead is going to cost 5 IPC to bring back online.
Railheads cost more (though not too much more) to fix than an airbase, naval base, or minor IC, becuase rather than a single structure in a single place, a railway is vast, covering many miles, and tunnels/bridges will likey also need repaired to get the railroad back in working condition after a SBR.

Anymore than that (5) and SBR would be too stong

[Gargantua]

I don’t know about those railhead rules…

You can basically rail from Soviet far east to poland in a single move, if you control everything? Please.

Either make it a maximum of 3, OR Make Rail Cars their OWN units. I’ve done this before.

The railroad, becomes like a transport, but on the ground. It moves 3, and can carry a certain alotment of units. (3 inf, 1 inf 1 art, 1 inf 1 arm, etc). But it is subject to capture like aa guns from the old days, or destruction by SBR.

It also can’t blitz.