Euro40 Starting fleets

[allweneedislove]

@Tralis:

Do the ratios hold up for the other powers in AAP40?

if we assume these numbers to be accurate or close to accurate then here is how the navies would be for euro40. i am guessing ussr will have no naval units on the pacific board. so ussr, germany, and italy navies will be the same as my first post. japan will not have any navy on the euro board.

so the 2 powers that are affected are usa and commonwealth(i use this term instead of uk as a nod to our canadian friends). all we need to do is subtract the units that we know on pac40 map from the full power estimates.

USA’s game navy:                  3 BB, 2 CA, 4 DD, 2 CV, 2 SS
USA’s pac40 navy:                1 BB, 1 CA, 2 DD, 1 CV, 1 SS
USA’s euro40 navy:                2 BB, 1 CA, 2 DD, 1 CV, 1 SS

Commonwealth’s game navy:  3 BB, 4 CA, 8 DD, 1 CV, 2 SS
Commonwealth’s pac40 navy:  1 BB, 1 CA, 2 DD, 0 CV, 1 SS
Commonwealth’s euro40 navy: 2 BB, 3 CA, 6 DD, 1 CV, 1 SS

i assume all usa navy will be off the coast of east usa.
i assume uk will have units scattered around atlantic and med with a good chunk to be sunk on g1 and i1.

[Guest]

Thanks for the info allweneedisweed. These numbers will help me in some of my future endeavors.

[Danger Mouse]

Very nice  :-)

[idk_iam_swiss]

Yes. Finland, Spain, Turkey(?)

[TitusAndronicus]

More important than what ships you start with is where they are.  If you would’ve told me Pacific 1940 would’ve had the UK starting with 1 BB, 1 CA, 1 DD and 2 Transports I would’ve been pretty impressed with the UK’s naval abilities.  However, as we all know, half of that Navy gets wiped out turn 1 at little cost.

Now, I hope the UK gets a starting CV somewhere in the Med or Atlantic.  I also hope it cant be sunk right off the bat by German submarines.

[WILD BILL]

@TitusAndronicus:

More important than what ships you start with is where they are.  If you would’ve told me Pacific 1940 would’ve had the UK starting with 1 BB, 1 CA, 1 DD and 2 Transports I would’ve been pretty impressed with the UK’s naval abilities.  However, as we all know, half of that Navy gets wiped out turn 1 at little cost.

Now, I hope the UK gets a starting CV somewhere in the Med or Atlantic.  I also hope it cant be sunk right off the bat by German submarines.

In the Global game I think the UK Pac navy will be spared. A J1 attack will most likely be to costly for the Euro axis (won’t want the US to interfere). The UK (and French) navy in the Med & Atlantic will be under fire because Germany/Italy is already at war w/them. So I would think you’ll see a UK BB go down in the Atlantic G1, along with other UK/French ships.

[Funcioneta]

Seem pretty reasonable true neutrals then, Yoper. Are them one territory neutrals or maybe Spain and Turkey are 2 territories?

I guess some other true neutrals: Arabia, Argentina, Peru, Venezuela. I guess that Brazil is going to be pro-allies and Switzerland impassable

I’m wondering if the setup for Pacific side of Global is going to be the same than AAP40, because that could cause problems. For AAP40 is pretty reasonable that China or India fall early because allies can still win the game and Japan needs take them early to have a chance of winning. But for global, a too early fall of China or India can create havoc in soviet rear (specially without the non-agression treaty) and mess the game as did with AA50

[almashir]

Hmm.  That could be a problem.  We might need a more strict Russo-Japanese non-aggression rule.  Maybe Japan can’t attack any Russian controlled territory unless the Axis has already captured at least one of the following:  London, Moscow, Washington, San Francisco.  Russia can’t attack any Japanese controlled territory unless the Allies already control either Berlin or BOTH Rome AND Paris.

[almashir]

“Hmm.  That could be a problem.  We might need a more strict Russo-Japanese non-aggression rule.  Maybe Japan can’t attack any Russian controlled territory unless the Axis has already captured at least one of the following:  London, Moscow, Washington, San Francisco.  Russia can’t attack any Japanese controlled territory unless the Allies already control either Berlin or BOTH Rome AND Paris.”

Almost forgot:  …and Russian units may not enter Chinese territory until they are at war with Japan.

[allweneedislove]

almashir, can you do some more of your great research to come up with actual fleet strength around May-June 1940 for sweden, turkey and spain?

[Imperious Leader]

Add Argentina and Brazil if information exists regarding their naval strength.

[almashir]

Turkey:  1 BB, 4 CL, 13 DD, 11 SS

The Turkish battleship was actually a WWI German battlecruiser that was trapped in the Med in August 1914, and “loaned” to the Turks for the duration.  They kept it until after WWII.

Spain:  2 BB, 2 CA, 5 CL, 21 DD, 14 SS

The Spanish forces listed above are what Spain had before/during the Spanish Civil War, and includes both Nationalist and Republican ships.  At least 1 battleship and 1 heavy cruiser were sunk prior to 1940.

Sweden:  Couldn’t find much yet, but they had at least 2-3 light cruisers, probably 5-10 destroyers, and assorted gun boats and coastal defense ships.

Brazil:  2 BB, 2 CL, 7 DD,

Argentina:  2 BB, 4 CA, 30 DD

Argentina also had a couple of heavy coastal defense ships.  Two of the four heavy cruisers listed above were older ships (1896), but still dangerous, if slow.

[allweneedislove]

Japan’s real navy:    10 BB, 38 CA, 108 DD, 8 CV, 68 SS
Japan’s game navy:    2 BB,  2 CA,    4 DD, 3 CV,  2 SS
Ratio of real to game: 5/1,    19/1,    27/1,  8/3,  34/1

Using the preceding ratios we get the following game navies

Turkey’s game navy:      0.2 BB, 0.2 CA, 0.5 DD, 0 CV, 0.3 SS
Spain’s game navy:        0.4 BB, 0.4 CA, 0.8 DD, 0 CV, 0.4 SS
Brazil’s game navy:        0.4 BB, 0.1 CA, 0.3 DD, 0 CV,    0 SS
Argentina’s game navy:  0.4 BB, 0.1 CA, 1.1 DD, 0 CV,    0 SS

Now with my professional fudging and some sketchy reasoning I will put what I assume will be the games starting navy sizes.

Turkey’s game navy:    0 BB, 0 CA, 0 DD, 0 CV, 0 SS
Spain’s game navy:      0 BB, 0 CA, 0 DD, 0 CV, 0 SS
Brazil’s game navy:      0 BB, 0 CA, 0 DD, 0 CV, 0 SS
Argentina’s game navy: 0 BB, 0 CA, 0 DD, 0 CV, 0 SS

since we know there are no other powers in the game we can assume that these nuetrals will have no units on the map. but if anyone is creating house rules they may want to do something like the following

Turkey’s game navy:    0 BB, 0 CA, 1 DD, 0 CV, 0 SS
Spain’s game navy:      0 BB, 1 CA, 1 DD, 0 CV, 0 SS
Brazil’s game navy:      0 BB, 1 CA, 0 DD, 0 CV, 0 SS
Argentina’s game navy: 0 BB, 1 CA, 1 DD, 0 CV, 0 SS

[Imperious Leader]

Ok this is very good. I will use this for my new project if possible

[Guest]

@Imperious:

Ok this is very good. I will use this for my new project if possible

Which new project?

[idk_iam_swiss]

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