TGC (Germany) vs Doman (Allies) Europe, oob

[The_Good_Captain]

@DoManMacgee

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 9 armour; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 submarine moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Soviet Convoy Sea Zone
              Germans take Soviet Convoy Sea Zone from Russians
        1 submarine moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Denmark Strait Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Norway to Denmark Strait Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from British Convoy 1 Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone
              Germans take U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone from Americans
        1 armour moved from Libya to Egypt
              Germans take Egypt from Middle_East
        1 armour moved from Egypt to Libya
        1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
              Germans take Baltic States from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland
              Germans take East Poland from Russians
        1 infantry moved from Libya to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Cyprus
              Germans take Cyprus from British

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Denmark Strait Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 submarine
            Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Denmark Strait Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in Denmark Strait Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Denmark Strait Sea Zone
                1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in Denmark Strait Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
            Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
            Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 bomber moved from Denmark Strait Sea Zone to Norway
        1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
        1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya
        1 fighter moved from Crete to Libya
        1 fighter moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Bessarabia
        1 infantry moved from Hungary to Rumania
        10 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Hungary to Bessarabia
        1 armour moved from Poland to Bessarabia
        1 aaGun moved from Austria to Northern Italy
        1 artillery and 33 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        1 fighter moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Bessarabia
        2 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany

    Place Units - Germans
        9 armour placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 43 PUs; end with 43 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.50
Germans regular : 0.67

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[DoManMacgee]

@The_Good_Captain

About to go on a series of work calls. For when I get back later, how do you want to handle this fight?

[The_Good_Captain]

@DoManMacgee to the death.

[DoManMacgee]

@The_Good_Captain Game History

Round: 3

    Actions - Russians
        Russians takes action: Action UKPays1PUs
        Action UKPays1PUs activates a trigger called: Trigger UKPays1PUs
        Trigger UKPays1PUs: British met a national objective for an additional -1 PUs; end with 16 PUs

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        4 armour, 2 artilleries and 21 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Belorussia
        7 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Belorussia
        1 submarine moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to Soviet Convoy Sea Zone
        2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Karelia to Leningrad
        1 armour and 3 infantry moved from Leningrad to Belorussia
        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Leningrad to East Poland

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in East Poland
            Russians attack with 1 bomber and 1 fighter
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 fighter in East Poland, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in East Poland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in East Poland
            Russians win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone
            Russians attack with 1 submarine
            Germans defend with 1 submarine
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 5 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone, round 5 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is -8
            Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from East Poland to Belorussia

    Place Units - Russians
        8 infantry placed in Leningrad
        Russians undo move 1.
        8 infantry placed in Stalingrad
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Belorussia: 1 bomber and 1 fighter
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Caucasus: 1 bomber and 1 fighter
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 18 PUs; end with 20 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : -0.67
Russians regular : -0.50

[DoManMacgee]

@The_Good_Captain I’m on three hours of sleep and have lost what little remains of my sanity:

[dice 2d6<=1]

[dicebot]

2d6<=1: 3, 2; Hits: 0

[DoManMacgee]

@The_Good_Captain Do you want to fight to the death again? USSR’s turn is already over so you’re not blocking income anymore but you may be able to kill the carriers if my luck continues to trend badly. From what I can tell, in this edition Submarines do not get sneak-attack rolls when on defense; only offense.

[The_Good_Captain]

@DoManMacgee submerge

[DoManMacgee]

@The_Good_Captain Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        2 fighters moved from Leningrad to Baltic States
        1 bomber moved from Stalingrad to Baltic States
        1 armour moved from Palestine to Egypt
              Middle_East take Egypt from Germans
        1 armour moved from Egypt to Palestine
        1 infantry moved from Iran to Caucasus
        2 carriers and 4 fighters moved from Atlantic Sea Zone to Soviet Convoy Sea Zone

    Combat - British
        Battle in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone
            British attack with 2 carriers; Americans loiter and taunt
            Germans defend with 1 submarine
            1 submarine owned by the Germans submerged
        Battle in Baltic States
            British attack with 1 bomber and 2 fighters
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                British roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 fighters in Baltic States, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 bomber owned by the British lost in Baltic States
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
            British winBritish winBritish win, taking Soviet Convoy Sea Zone from Germans with 2 carriers remaining with 2 carriers remaining with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -12
            Casualties for British: 1 bomber
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - British
        2 fighters moved from Baltic States to Stalingrad

    Place Units - British
        1 submarine placed in Celtic Sea Sea Zone
        1 transport placed in Celtic Sea Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : 0.67
British regular : 0.33

Game History

Round: 3

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 4 fighters; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 bomber moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Rumania
        3 fighters moved from United States to United Kingdom

    Combat - Americans
        Americans creates battle in territory Soviet Convoy Sea Zone
        Battle in Soviet Convoy Sea Zone
            British loiter and taunt; Americans attack with 4 fighters
            Germans defend with 1 submarine
            1 submarine owned by the Germans submerged
        Battle in Rumania
            Americans attack with 1 bomber
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 1 bomber in Rumania, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Rumania, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Rumania
            Americans winAmericans winAmericans win with 4 fighters remaining with 4 fighters remaining with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 bomber moved from Rumania to Caucasus

    Place Units - Americans
        4 fighters placed in United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.33
Germans regular : -0.33

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[The_Good_Captain]

@DoManMacgee

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 8 armour and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 bomber moved from Norway to Archangel
        1 submarine moved from Soviet Convoy Sea Zone to Denmark Strait Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from U.S. Convoy 1 Sea Zone to British Convoy 2 Sea Zone
              Germans take British Convoy 2 Sea Zone from British
        1 infantry moved from Libya to Egypt
              Germans take Egypt from Middle_East

    Combat - Germans
        Strategic bombing raid in Archangel
            Bombing raid in Archangel rolls: 2 and costs: 2 PUs.
            Bombing raid costs 2 PUs

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing ownership of Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians to Germans
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 bomber moved from Archangel to East Poland
        1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine S.S.R.
        12 armour, 2 artilleries and 13 infantry moved from Bessarabia to East Poland
        1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
        5 artilleries and 42 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland
        2 fighters moved from Bessarabia to Germany
        9 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
        1 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Libya to Egypt
        1 fighter moved from Libya to Northern Italy
        2 fighters moved from Norway to Germany
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
        2 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
        1 infantry moved from Cyprus to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Egypt

    Place Units - Germans
        8 armour and 1 infantry placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 45 PUs; end with 45 PUs

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[DoManMacgee]

@The_Good_Captain Game History

Round: 4

    Actions - Russians
        Russians takes action: Action UKPays1PUs
        Action UKPays1PUs activates a trigger called: Trigger UKPays1PUs
        Trigger UKPays1PUs: British met a national objective for an additional -1 PUs; end with 16 PUs

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 armour moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 fighter moved from Caucasus to Baltic States
        1 bomber moved from Caucasus to Baltic States

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Russians attack with 1 armour
            Germans defend with 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Russians win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Germans with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Baltic States
            Russians attack with 1 bomber and 1 fighter
            Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 fighter in Baltic States, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States
            Russians win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Leningrad
        5 infantry moved from Karelia to Russia
        2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Leningrad to Russia
        4 armour moved from Belorussia to Leningrad
        8 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Turkestan
        1 aaGun moved from Stalingrad to Belorussia
        3 artilleries and 41 infantry moved from Belorussia to Russia

    Place Units - Russians
        6 infantry placed in Moscow

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 22 PUs; end with 22 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : -0.67
Russians regular : 1.33

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        2 carriers and 4 fighters moved from Soviet Convoy Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to North Atlantic Sea Zone
        1 transport moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from United Kingdom to English Channel Sea Zone
        1 armour moved from English Channel Sea Zone to France
              British take France from Germans
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Palestine to Syria
        1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Turkestan
        2 fighters moved from Stalingrad to Leningrad

    Combat - British

    Non Combat Move - British

    Place Units - British
        2 transports placed in English Channel Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Game History

Round: 4

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        4 fighters moved from United States to North Sea Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Leningrad
        4 fighters moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Vyborg
        1 bomber moved from Caucasus to Vyborg

    Combat - Americans
        Battle in Vyborg
            Americans attack with 1 bomber and 4 fighters
            Germans defend with 2 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 4 fighters in Vyborg, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 fighter owned by the Americans and 1 bomber owned by the Americans lost in Vyborg
                2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Vyborg
            Americans win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -21
            Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber and 1 fighter
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        3 fighters moved from Vyborg to Leningrad

    Place Units - Americans
        1 submarine and 2 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone
        2 infantry placed in United States

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 36 PUs; end with 42 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.33
Germans regular : 1.33

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Am rapidly realizing my previous guess about the ME was wrong. The Atlantic really is the end-all/be-all here because of the convoy spaces.

[The_Good_Captain]

@DoManMacgee

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 9 armour; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from British Convoy 2 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia
              Germans take Belorussia from Russians
        4 armour and 1 infantry moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 armour moved from East Poland to Ukraine S.S.R.
        1 infantry moved from Egypt to Palestine
              Germans take Palestine from Middle_East
        1 submarine moved from Denmark Strait Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone
              Germans take U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone from Americans
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
              Germans take Karelia from Russians
        1 armour moved from Germany to France
        1 fighter moved from Northern Italy to France
        2 fighters moved from Germany to France
        1 fighter moved from Germany to English Channel Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from East Poland to English Channel Sea Zone

    Combat - Germans
        Battle in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Germans attack with 5 armour and 1 infantry
            Russians defend with 1 aaGun and 1 armour
                Germans roll dice for 5 armour and 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 4/6 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R.
            Germans win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians with 5 armour and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Russians: 1 armour
        Battle in English Channel Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 fighter
            British defend with 1 transport
                Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 fighter in English Channel Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 transport in English Channel Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                1 transport owned by the British lost in English Channel Sea Zone
            Germans win with 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for British: 1 transport
        Battle in France
            Germans attack with 1 armour and 3 fighters
            British defend with 1 armour
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 3 fighters in France, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                British roll dice for 1 armour in France, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the British lost in France
            Germans win, taking France from British with 1 armour and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for British: 1 armour

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone: 1 submarine
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        3 fighters moved from France to Germany
        1 bomber moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Germany
        1 fighter moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Germany
        1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
        1 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        7 artilleries and 52 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia
        1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
        7 armour moved from Germany to East Poland
        11 armour moved from East Poland to Belorussia
        1 fighter moved from Germany to East Poland
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Egypt to Palestine
        1 battleship and 1 transport moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone
        3 armour moved from East Poland to Belorussia

    Place Units - Germans
        9 armour placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 47 PUs; end with 47 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : -0.33
Germans regular : 2.17
British regular : -0.50

G5.tsvg I agree its an Achilles heel with the fighter push strategy you have mastered. Otherwise, my games with @Karl7 make me feel that the Germans are best invested in the Mediterranean. I have two games with Karl where the Italian fleet heads out to the Atlantic (one where he did it as the Germans and one where I did it as the Germans) and in each game, imo - it would have been better to stay in the Med. Not a hard opinion. Just a soft opinion at first whiff.

[The_Good_Captain]

@DoManMacgee btw the USA transports have been sub stalled - cannot load from the USA this turn.

[The_Good_Captain]

@DoManMacgee also, can you edit G bomber to Northern Italy. THANKS

[DoManMacgee]

@The_Good_Captain said in TGC (Germany) vs Doman (Allies) Europe, oob:

G5.tsvg I agree its an Achilles heel with the fighter push strategy you have mastered.

I think it’s an Achilles heel in the sense that it devolves the game into a series of are basically coin flips in the Atlantic. Under my current understanding of the game balance when using OOB rules, neither UK or US can realistically afford to divert money during the initial game turns to buy combat-capable naval units (mostly because naval units pre-AA50 are extremely expensive). This basically means that UK/US have to rely on whatever Destroyers survive the G1 attacks + the Russian Sub to clean up the Atlantic, which is a losing battle any way you slice it.

Turn will be up ASAP.

[DoManMacgee]

@The_Good_Captain Game History

Round: 5

    Actions - Russians
        Russians takes action: Action USAPays1PUs
        Action USAPays1PUs activates a trigger called: Trigger USAPays1PUs
        Trigger USAPays1PUs: Americans met a national objective for an additional -1 PUs; end with 41 PUs

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Leningrad to Karelia
        3 armour moved from Leningrad to Moscow
        5 artilleries and 50 infantry moved from Russia to Moscow
        8 infantry moved from Turkestan to Moscow
        1 armour moved from Leningrad to Vyborg
              Russians take Vyborg from Germans
        1 armour moved from Vyborg to Karelia

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Karelia
            Russians attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 fighter
            Germans defend with 2 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 fighter in Karelia, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia
            Russians win, taking Karelia from Germans with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Karelia to Moscow
        1 aaGun moved from Leningrad to Russia

    Place Units - Russians
        7 infantry placed in Moscow

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 19 PUs; end with 20 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : -0.67
Russians regular : 0.33

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - British
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Germany: 1 bomber
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Northern Italy: 1 bomber
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        British buy 3 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 submarine moved from North Atlantic Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone
        2 fighters moved from Leningrad to Moscow
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Syria to Iran
        1 infantry moved from Turkestan to Caucasus
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from United Kingdom to North Sea Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 2 carriers, 4 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from North Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from English Channel Sea Zone to France

    Combat - British
        Battle in France
            British attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Germans defend with 1 armour
                British roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in France, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 armour in France, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Germans lost in France
            British win, taking France from Germans with 1 artillery and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
            Casualties for Germans: 1 armour

    Non Combat Move - British

    Place Units - British
        3 infantry placed in United Kingdom
        1 transport placed in English Channel Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - British
        British collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Germans regular : -0.33
British regular : 0.00

[DoManMacgee]

@The_Good_Captain

Americans attack Germans in U.S. East Coast:

[dice 1d6<=2]

[dicebot]

1d6<=2: 4; Hits: 0

[DoManMacgee]

@The_Good_Captain Let me know what you want to do Re: Submerge/Fight. My buy was:

If that influences your decision making for any reason.

[The_Good_Captain]

@DoManMacgee said in TGC (Germany) vs Doman (Allies) Europe, oob:

@The_Good_Captain said in TGC (Germany) vs Doman (Allies) Europe, oob:

G5.tsvg I agree its an Achilles heel with the fighter push strategy you have mastered.

I think it’s an Achilles heel in the sense that it devolves the game into a series of are basically coin flips in the Atlantic. Under my current understanding of the game balance when using OOB rules, neither UK or US can realistically afford to divert money during the initial game turns to buy combat-capable naval units (mostly because naval units pre-AA50 are extremely expensive). This basically means that UK/US have to rely on whatever Destroyers survive the G1 attacks + the Russian Sub to clean up the Atlantic, which is a losing battle any way you slice it.

Turn will be up ASAP.

Yeah… that’s what I kinda thought too but it didn’t really work out that way. The Germans give up any threat to the ME and Africa the instant the fleet leaves the Med. I …“feel” that the small bit of experience I have with this is that the W. Allies can defuse the situation with a thorough understanding of the rules and of course and a hyper efficient use of IPC and purchases. I might have you take a look at this game and Karl7s approach to the German Atlantic fleet… and the (once again) insane use of submarines as the Allies. https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/41374/tgc-germany-vs-karl7-allies-original-europe/90?page=4