Pejon_88 (Allies +16) vs. Naviator (X), BM4, game 1

[Pejon_88]

@naviator scramble in SZ106?

[Pejon_88]

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[Naviator]

@pejon_88 Yes, with all.

I’m going to use my kamikaze also, 2 tokens for 2 cruisers and the other 4 on destroyers, one for each.

Casualty wise, free hits on everything, followed by my submarines and destroyers, but I would like to leave one to avoid first strike if you keep you subs and depending on the number of subs.

Actually, perhaps it’s best if you ask me after every step as since it’s a big battle and I am not sure there is a single best anwser for every scenario.

[Pejon_88]

@naviator Of course, apologies I forgot to ask about the Kamiz.

We’ll do round by round.

[Pejon_88]

TripleA Turn Summary: Americans round 18

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 18

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 factory_minor, 4 fighters, 10 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans
        1 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
        2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary
        2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
        1 bomber moved from France to Germany
        1 bomber moved from Greece to Germany
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Gibraltar to Northern Italy
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from France to Slovakia Hungary
        3 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Romania
        1 fighter moved from Greece to Romania
        4 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to 6 Sea Zone
        1 battleship, 14 carriers, 2 cruisers, 5 destroyers, 23 fighters, 12 submarines, 5 tactical_bombers and 2 transports moved from 33 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
              Americans take 22 Sea Zone from Japanese
              Americans take 17 Sea Zone from Japanese

    Combat - Americans
        Japanese scrambles 2 units out of Japan to defend against the attack in 6 Sea Zone
        Kamikaze Suicide Attack attacks 1 destroyer owned by the Americans scoring 1 hits.  Rolls: 1
                1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 6 Sea Zone
        Kamikaze Suicide Attack attacks 1 destroyer owned by the Americans scoring 0 hits.  Rolls: 5
        Kamikaze Suicide Attack attacks 1 destroyer owned by the Americans scoring 0 hits.  Rolls: 4
        Kamikaze Suicide Attack attacks 1 destroyer owned by the Americans scoring 0 hits.  Rolls: 4
        Kamikaze Suicide Attack attacks 1 cruiser owned by the Americans scoring 1 hits.  Rolls: 2
                1 cruiser owned by the Americans lost in 6 Sea Zone
        Kamikaze Suicide Attack attacks 1 cruiser owned by the Americans scoring 0 hits.  Rolls: 4
        Strategic bombing raid in Germany
                Germans roll AA dice in Germany : 1/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
            1 bomber owned by the Americans killed by AA in Germany
            Bombing raid in Germany rolls: 7 and causes: 6 damage to unit: factory_minor
            Bombing raid in Germany causes 6 damage total. 
        Battle in 6 Sea Zone
            Americans attack with 1 battleship, 14 carriers, 1 cruiser, 4 destroyers, 25 fighters, 12 submarines, 4 tactical_bombers and 2 transports; ANZAC loiter and taunt
            Japanese defend with 2 battleships, 9 carriers, 2 cruisers, 10 destroyers, 14 fighters, 1 submarine, 6 tactical_bombers and 4 transports
                Americans roll dice for 12 submarines in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/12 hits, 4.00 expected hits
            Units damaged: 3 carriers owned by the Japanese
                Americans roll dice for 1 battleship, 14 carriers, 1 cruiser, 4 destroyers, 25 fighters, 4 tactical_bombers and 2 transports in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 17/35 hits, 17.67 expected hits
            Units damaged: 6 carriers owned by the Japanese and 2 battleships owned by the Japanese
                Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 9 carriers, 2 cruisers, 10 destroyers, 14 fighters, 6 tactical_bombers and 4 transports in 6 Sea Zone, round 2 : 21/43 hits, 21.00 expected hits
            Units damaged: 11 carriers owned by the Americans and 1 battleship owned by the Americans
                4 submarines owned by the Americans, 3 destroyers owned by the Americans and 2 fighters owned by the Americans lost in 6 Sea Zone
                8 destroyers owned by the Japanese and 1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 6 Sea Zone
                Americans roll dice for 8 submarines in 6 Sea Zone, round 3 : 5/8 hits, 2.67 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 battleship, 14 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 23 fighters, 4 tactical_bombers and 2 transports in 6 Sea Zone, round 3 : 18/30 hits, 15.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 9 carriers, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 14 fighters, 6 tactical_bombers and 4 transports in 6 Sea Zone, round 3 : 14/35 hits, 18.33 expected hits
                8 submarines owned by the Americans and 6 fighters owned by the Americans lost in 6 Sea Zone
                6 tactical_bombers owned by the Japanese, 4 fighters owned by the Japanese, 9 carriers owned by the Japanese, 2 destroyers owned by the Japanese and 2 cruisers owned by the Japanese lost in 6 Sea Zone
                Americans roll dice for 1 battleship, 14 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 17 fighters, 4 tactical_bombers and 2 transports in 6 Sea Zone, round 4 : 15/24 hits, 12.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 2 battleships, 10 fighters and 4 transports in 6 Sea Zone, round 4 : 7/12 hits, 8.00 expected hits
                7 fighters owned by the Americans lost in 6 Sea Zone
                10 fighters owned by the Japanese, 3 transports owned by the Japanese and 2 battleships owned by the Japanese lost in 6 Sea Zone
                1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 6 Sea Zone
            Americans win, taking 6 Sea Zone from Japanese with 1 battleship, 14 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 10 fighters, 4 tactical_bombers and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 282
            Casualties for Americans: 3 destroyers, 15 fighters and 12 submarines
            Casualties for Japanese: 2 battleships, 9 carriers, 2 cruisers, 10 destroyers, 14 fighters, 1 submarine, 6 tactical_bombers and 4 transports
        Battle in Northern Italy
            Americans attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Northern Italy, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Northern Italy, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Northern Italy
            Americans win, taking Northern Italy from Germans with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
        Battle in Romania
            Americans attack with 4 fighters and 1 infantry
            Italians defend with 1 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 4 fighters and 1 infantry in Romania, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Romania, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Romania
            Americans win, taking Romania from Germans with 4 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Slovakia Hungary
            Americans attack with 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Italians defend with 2 infantry
                Americans roll dice for 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Slovakia Hungary, round 2 : 4/6 hits, 2.50 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Slovakia Hungary, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Slovakia Hungary
                2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Slovakia Hungary
            Americans win, taking Slovakia Hungary from Germans with 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        6 fighters could not land in 6 Sea Zone and were removed
        1 carrier moved from 30 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
        1 carrier moved from 10 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone
        2 tactical_bombers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
        2 tactical_bombers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone
        2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
        4 fighters moved from Romania to Greece
        3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Slovakia Hungary to Bulgaria
        1 infantry moved from Johnston Island to 30 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 2 submarines and 1 transport moved from 30 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        2 fighters moved from Western United States to Wake Island
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Greece to 97 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Yugoslavia
        4 infantry moved from Morocco to 92 Sea Zone
        4 infantry and 2 transports moved from 92 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        2 transports moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        4 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Yugoslavia
        4 infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
        4 infantry and 2 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        4 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
        2 transports moved from 91 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone
        1 bomber moved from Germany to Greece

    Place Units - Americans
        1 factory_minor placed in Norway
        3 infantry placed in Greece
        3 infantry placed in Southern Italy
        4 infantry placed in Central United States
        4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers placed in Eastern United States
        1 carrier and 2 destroyers placed in 10 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 89 PUs; end with 89 PUs
        Trigger Americans 5 Presence In France: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 94 PUs
        Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 99 PUs
        Trigger Americans 6 Western Europe Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 104 PUs
        Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 114 PUs
        Objective Americans 9 Vital Forward Bases: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 119 PUs
        Objective Americans 8 Pacific Airfields: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 124 PUs
        Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 129 PUs
        Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 134 PUs
        Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 139 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Eastern United States: 2 fighters
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Gibraltar: 2 fighters
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 7.67
Japanese regular : -5.50
Germans AA : 0.67
Germans regular : -0.33

Savegame

[Pejon_88]

@Naviator I realized I could continue without you risking first strikes so I went on. Don’t want to be presumptuous but thought I’d rather ask if you want to continue this game or not? I will then of course continue with UK.

[Naviator]

@pejon_88 GG! Thanks for the game, I learned a whole lot playing with you and also watching you play against gamerman (and learned by playing other people also). I think I got the hang of how to play each faction, but there are probably still some things I do not know how to play out that I am not aware of.

Do you have any final tips for me? Sry for a dragged out and a probably boring game towards the end! I was wondering if I could take India and my final idea was just to bring all German land there and take it out, leaving Russians to reclaim their land. Going after Egypt crossed my mind also.

I kinda still wonder, when I play Japanese, what shoul I do with my PU’s since my navy is usually next to mainland Asia and the USA is at the Hawaii and can attack anything I purchase on sea. I feel like buying planes is a bit of a waste considering my already dominant air presence and land units need transports, which are also sea units. I buy 2 factories for Kwantung and FIC, but for the rest I cannot quite decide what would be a good purchase.

[Pejon_88]

@naviator Glad to hear!

Like we decided quite early on, when I think the game was pretty much over anyway, we continued for learning purposes which I was fine with. Usually if the Axis are bogged down, it’s some kind of indication they are unsuccessful.

That is a problem for Japan for sure. If the US has Hawaii, that’s fine and also expected unless something very exceptional has happened. The main problem is if they easily take Caroline Islands since you’re then unable to stack in SZ6 safely, but worse, they threaten the money islands, potentially Korea and Malaya etc.

I think air is the main units for Japan to be honest. Ships can only go 3 steps, while planes situated in French Indo China with an Air Base can reach everywhere under Japan’s control.

I would suggest trying to keep US from Caroline as far as possible is your first defense goal and once that is impossible make it hard for them to reach closer to the mainland without being wiped out.

I’ve learned by greater players that more than 2 factories on the mainland is usually a waste of money since you are rarely able to build at all three factories mid game when you need to build aircraft etc. I like French Indo China and one of the Chinese territories. Sometimes also Malaya or Manchuria.

When it comes to ships, that becomes a problem when US controls Carolines. You can most likely not build and stack in SZ6 since that would leave the south exposed and unthreathened from a counter attack by Japan. Then you can only build ships in Malaya or French Indo China (preferably also with a Naval Base present). You can watch my game versus Ghostglider as I’m currently in that situation with him.

[Pejon_88]

@Naviator Btw, could you please report the game in the League thread?

[Pejon_88]

@Naviator I reported it.

Btw, hope you’ll stick around for additional games in the community?

[Naviator]

@pejon_88 I think I accidentaly deleted a part of my text when I was writing my post.

What I meant was, what should I do as J4?

I usually capture the money islands on J3, but that requires moving my navy to defend the transports and what if A3 is a capture of Caroline?

That leaves SZ6 voulnerable for J4 since my ships need to regruop at the SZ next to Phillipines so that they can threaten Caroline. Any sea purchase at that moment is relatively risky.

Thank you for other tips, however!

Also, sry for not reporting, I haven’t seen your second message.

I am quite likely going to stick around, in fact, I am thinking of starting a new game on the forum.

[Pejon_88]

@naviator If possible defend Carolines with planes or put a destroyer as blocker if you need to split your navy. You can probably not buy in SZ6 that turn if the full US navy is in Hawaii. Or if it is you could possibly leave some of your in SZ6 since he cannot threaten the money islands from there, hence you would need your full navy protecting the transports.

No problem.

Great, good luck!