L21 #2 StickyBomb (X) vs trulpen (A+46) OOB

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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Italians round 5

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        3 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
        3 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 armour moved from Bryansk to Tambov
        1 armour moved from Bryansk to Tambov

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Tambov
            Italians attack with 2 armour
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour in Tambov, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Tambov, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Tambov
            Italians win, taking Tambov from Russians with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
            Casualties for Italians: 1 armour
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
            Italians attack with 3 artilleries, 3 fighters and 8 infantry
            British defend with 1 aaGun, 1 bomber, 6 fighters and 1 infantry; Americans defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
                British roll AA dice in Normandy Bordeaux : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 3 artilleries, 3 fighters and 8 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 3/14 hits, 4.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 6 fighters and 4 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 6/12 hits, 5.83 expected hits
                1 aaGun owned by the British, 1 infantry owned by the Americans, 1 infantry owned by the British and 6 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Normandy Bordeaux
                Italians roll dice for 3 artilleries, 3 fighters and 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 : 5/8 hits, 3.17 expected hits

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : 0.17
Italians regular : 1.50
British AA : -0.50
Russians regular : 0.67

Savegame

[StickyBomb]

@trulpen next round?

[trulpen]

@stickybomb said in L21 #2 StickyBomb (X) vs trulpen (A+46) OOB:

@trulpen next round?

Max d, so keep figs.

[StickyBomb]

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Italians
        3 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
        3 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 armour moved from Bryansk to Tambov
        1 armour moved from Bryansk to Tambov

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Tambov
            Italians attack with 2 armour
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Italians roll dice for 2 armour in Tambov, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Tambov, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Tambov
            Italians win, taking Tambov from Russians with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
            Casualties for Italians: 1 armour
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
            Italians attack with 3 artilleries, 3 fighters and 8 infantry
            British defend with 1 aaGun, 1 bomber, 6 fighters and 1 infantry; Americans defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
                British roll AA dice in Normandy Bordeaux : 0/3 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 3 artilleries, 3 fighters and 8 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 3/14 hits, 4.33 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 6 fighters and 4 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 6/12 hits, 5.83 expected hits
                1 aaGun owned by the British, 1 infantry owned by the Americans, 1 infantry owned by the British and 6 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Normandy Bordeaux
                Italians roll dice for 3 artilleries, 3 fighters and 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 : 5/8 hits, 3.17 expected hits
                Americans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 6 fighters and 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 3 : 4/10 hits, 5.17 expected hits
                1 bomber owned by the British, 2 infantry owned by the Americans, 1 artillery owned by the Americans, 2 artilleries owned by the Italians, 1 fighter owned by the British and 2 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Normandy Bordeaux
            3 fighters owned by the Italians retreated
            1 artillery owned by the Italians retreated to France
            Americans win with 5 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 11
            Casualties for Italians: 2 artilleries and 8 infantry
            Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Casualties for British: 1 aaGun, 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to France
        3 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
        4 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
        1 mech_infantry moved from Romania to Ukraine
        2 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
        1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk
        1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Germany

    Place Units - Italians
        2 infantry placed in Southern France

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 11
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1,6,1,1,6,2,3
        Italians collect 4 PUs (11 lost to blockades); end with 5 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Americans regular : -1.00
Italians regular : 1.50
British AA : -0.50
Russians regular : 0.67

Savegame

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TripleA Turn Summary: ANZAC round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra

    Combat - ANZAC
        Battle in Sumatra

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        3 submarines moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 43 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 44 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 42 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
        1 fighter moved from 54 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to Burma

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 factory_minor placed in Queensland
        1 infantry placed in New South Wales

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 19 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

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TripleA Turn Summary: French round 5

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 5

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
        ANZAC buy 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - ANZAC
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra

    Combat - ANZAC
        Battle in Sumatra

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
        3 submarines moved from 62 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 43 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 44 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 42 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
        1 fighter moved from 54 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to Burma

    Place Units - ANZAC
        1 factory_minor placed in Queensland
        1 infantry placed in New South Wales

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
        ANZAC collect 14 PUs; end with 14 PUs
        Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 19 PUs

    Combat Move - French

    Non Combat Move - French
        1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Normandy Bordeaux
        1 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
        1 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
        2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - French

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

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TripleA Manual Gamesave Post: Germans round 6

TripleA Manual Gamesave Post for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 6

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 6 infantry and 10 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk
        1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Caucasus
              Germans take Caucasus from Russians
        5 armour and 5 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Volgograd
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Volgograd
        2 bombers moved from Bryansk to Russia
        2 fighters moved from Bryansk to Russia
        1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Volgograd
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Volgograd
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Volgograd
        1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Volgograd
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel
              Germans take Archangel from Russians
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Samara
        3 tactical_bombers moved from Bryansk to Samara
        1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Samara
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk

    Combat - Germans
        Air Battle in Russia

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

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@stickybomb Intercept Moscow? 4v3 in favor of Germany.

[trulpen]

@stickybomb said in L21 #2 StickyBomb (X) vs trulpen (A+46) OOB:

@stickybomb Intercept Moscow? 4v3 in favor of Germany.

No intercept. It’s a crap shot, but worse for the defender to lose more.

[StickyBomb]

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 6

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 6

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 6 infantry and 10 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk
        1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Caucasus
              Germans take Caucasus from Russians
        5 armour and 5 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Volgograd
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Volgograd
        2 bombers moved from Bryansk to Russia
        2 fighters moved from Bryansk to Russia
        1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Volgograd
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Volgograd
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Volgograd
        1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Volgograd
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Archangel
              Germans take Archangel from Russians
        3 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Samara
        3 tactical_bombers moved from Bryansk to Samara
        1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Samara
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
        1 infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk

    Combat - Germans
        Air Battle in Russia
            Germans attacks with 4 units heading to Russia
            Air Battle is over, the remaining bombers go on to their targets
        Strategic bombing raid in Russia
                Russians roll AA dice in Russia : 0/2 hits, 0.33 expected hits
            Bombing raid in Russia rolls: 7,6 and causes: 13 damage to unit: factory_major
            Bombing raid in Russia causes 13 damage total. 
        Battle in Volgograd
            Germans attack with 6 armour and 12 mech_infantrys
            Russians defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 6 armour and 12 mech_infantrys in Volgograd, round 2 : 2/18 hits, 5.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Volgograd, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Volgograd
            Germans win, taking Volgograd from Russians with 6 armour and 12 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Battle in Samara
            Germans attack with 4 mech_infantrys and 3 tactical_bombers
            Russians defend with 4 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 4 mech_infantrys and 3 tactical_bombers in Samara, round 2 : 1/7 hits, 2.17 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 4 infantry in Samara, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Samara
                Germans roll dice for 3 mech_infantrys and 3 tactical_bombers in Samara, round 3 : 2/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in Samara, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Samara
                Germans roll dice for 3 mech_infantrys and 3 tactical_bombers in Samara, round 4 : 2/6 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Samara, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Samara
            Germans win, taking Samara from Russians with 3 mech_infantrys and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 4 infantry
        Battle in Smolensk
            Germans attack with 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Smolensk, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Smolensk, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Smolensk, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Smolensk, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Smolensk
            Germans win, taking Smolensk from Russians with 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
        Cleaning up after air battles

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Bryansk to Germany
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Poland to Germany
        2 bombers moved from Russia to Germany
        2 fighters moved from Russia to Bryansk
        1 tactical_bomber moved from Smolensk to Bryansk
        3 tactical_bombers moved from Samara to Bryansk
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
        2 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Belarus to Bryansk
        1 armour and 9 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Bryansk
        1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
        5 infantry moved from Western Germany to France
        3 fighters moved from Western Germany to Germany
        2 armour moved from Germany to Western Germany

    Place Units - Germans
        3 infantry placed in Novgorod
        3 infantry placed in Ukraine
        8 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany
        2 mech_infantrys placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,5,4,5,3,1,5,6
        Germans collect 55 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 55 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 60 PUs
        Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs
        Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 75 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Germany: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Western Germany: 1 fighter
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : -1.67
Germans regular : -3.83
Russians AA : -0.33

Savegame

[trulpen]

@stickybomb said in L21 #2 StickyBomb (X) vs trulpen (A+46) OOB:

@stickybomb Intercept Moscow? 4v3 in favor of Germany.

The SBR-rules are so much better with BM3, having figs @2.

[StickyBomb]

@trulpen agreed - even then though it’s a minor difference since I brought escorts.

Honestly I am down to try BM3 at this point, just not sure I firmly understand the Vichy rules. Also not sure if I would like bombers being 14. However, marines, Chinese guerrillas, updated NOs and updated Intercept rules all seem great.

[trulpenplay]

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 6

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 4.0.0

Game History

Round: 6

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians repair damage of 12x factory_major; Remaining resources: 23 PUs; 
        Russians buy 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Samara
        1 infantry moved from Russia to Tambov
        1 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Samara
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Russia to Samara
        2 fighters moved from Russia to Tambov
        1 infantry moved from Russia to Tambov
        1 infantry moved from Russia to Samara

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Tambov
            Russians attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry
            Italians defend with 1 armour
                Russians roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Tambov, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1,33 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 armour in Tambov, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits
                1 armour owned by the Italians lost in Tambov
            Russians win, taking Tambov from Italians with 2 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Italians: 1 armour
        Battle in Samara
            Russians attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Germans defend with 3 mech_infantrys
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Samara, round 2 : 0/6 hits, 2,17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 3 mech_infantrys in Samara, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Samara, round 3 : 4/6 hits, 2,17 expected hits
                Germans roll dice for 3 mech_infantrys in Samara, round 3 : 3/3 hits, 1,00 expected hits
                3 infantry owned by the Russians and 3 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans lost in Samara
            Russians win, taking Samara from Germans with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Russians: 3 infantry
            Casualties for Germans: 3 mech_infantrys

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Changing ownership of Italian Somaliland from Italians to Russians
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Samara to Russia
        2 fighters moved from Tambov to Russia
        1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Italian Somaliland
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria
        1 submarine moved from 105 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Russians
        1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 20 PUs; end with 20 PUs
        Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 26 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Italians regular : -0,50
Germans regular : 1,00
Russians regular : -0,67

Savegame

[StickyBomb]

@trulpen one thing I actually hate in OOB is the Italians getting NOs in the ME/Africa, it just feels so cheesy. The allies need the help but I hate how this does it.

[trulpen]

Not refering specifically to this situation, but executing SBR in OOB is just too easy.

In this specific SBR, I would definitely have intercepted with 3 fig against 2 fig, 2 sb. Germany could bring in one or two tacs as well, which might tip the balance.

The Vichy rules aren’t too complex. If you have any question regarding them, I’d be happy to try to give an answer.

I was sceptical with pricier bombers at first, but after having played with it, I believe it’s a positive change. They’re simply too cheap in OOB with that great range and attack power.

An alternative way is to do as in P2V were they still cost 12, but @3. That’s actually also a good change. Makes the bombers more focused on SBR.

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@stickybomb said in L21 #2 StickyBomb (X) vs trulpen (A+46) OOB:

@trulpen one thing I actually hate in OOB is the Italians getting NOs in the ME/Africa, it just feels so cheesy. The allies need the help but I hate how this does it.

I think you meant the Russians.

Btw, the battle in Samara was pretty sick. 0 % hits in the first round and then like almost 100 % hits in the second. Especially valuable for the defending side.

[StickyBomb]

@stickybomb Meant the Russians not Italians.

[StickyBomb]

@trulpen Ya Samara has been good value for the Germans. I killed what 7 Russian Inf for 4 Mech, and there is still a Russian art exposed. Not bad at all.

May come to you later with Vichy questions - how do most good Axis players handle Vichy?

[StickyBomb]

Also when this is over would love some analysis/advice on my gameplay (especially Japanese navy maneuvering) I just feel like my positioning is very lackluster. I have spent a lot of time analyzing other games and think my early game is ok (although I may be wrong) but then really start to struggle during the mid game.

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@stickybomb said in L21 #2 StickyBomb (X) vs trulpen (A+46) OOB:

@trulpen Ya Samara has been good value for the Germans. I killed what 7 Russian Inf for 4 Mech, and there is still a Russian art exposed. Not bad at all.

Simply great for the nazis! Now it’s however starting to crumble on the west front. Sort of historical.

@stickybomb said in L21 #2 StickyBomb (X) vs trulpen (A+46) OOB:

May come to you later with Vichy questions - how do most good Axis players handle Vichy?

I usually try to activate Vichy myself. It helps Italy a lot from the bat, although gives economic benifits later for the Allies.

The answer is however that it varies. My impression though is that most good players activate Vichy more than not.

@stickybomb said in L21 #2 StickyBomb (X) vs trulpen (A+46) OOB:

Also when this is over would love some analysis/advice on my gameplay (especially Japanese navy maneuvering) I just feel like my positioning is very lackluster. I have spent a lot of time analyzing other games and think my early game is ok (although I may be wrong) but then really start to struggle during the mid game.

Sure thing, I can try and hand over some analysis.