Yes on that same point we should look carefully at the set up and form preliminary strategy assuming its the correct setup for 1941 scenario.
Also get an inventory of the total starting pieces for each nation so we can form a balance sheet based on total IPC.
But we need a final clarification on what the other poster sees on the map as far as unit values and ill try to get something from larry to verify.
SBR is gonna be fun and most likely they use the CAP rules from AAP and the fighter escort rules from AAE.
Airpower is gonna be really critical.
ON the subs if they are really 6 IPC they must have limited combat interaction… most likely at the start of combat they interact and not during every round on normal surface naval combat.
How does China recieve units? Do they get an extra inf for every country they control and have to place it in this country or can they all place in one territory (Szechuan)?
Can they fight together with US units, i.e. use US-airforce for attacks?
Runs to get new boxers
glad I ordered 2,looks great.Really like the Italians,the Chinese pieces I though were Japanese at first :lol:
great find everyone,thanks.
@Imperious:
SBR is gonna be fun and most likely they use the CAP rules from AAP and the fighter escort rules from AAE.
Airpower is gonna be really critical.
I really hated escorts, with that rule I just don’t see any advantage to bomb the IC. It’s like trying to have sex with a meat grinder.
Italy really, really should have been light gray.
Axis will be real hard to play. Can’t wait though.
All axis and all allied turn with blockhouses to deter DDay too soon will be tried in my lab.
I get the feeling that they have really hurt the Axis through all the changes they have made.
I get the feeling that they have really hurt the Axis through all the changes they have made.
Concerning the map, sure yes. But consider the turn sequence. Axis is always first. As Japan is (most likely) before UK in both scenarios, their units have much more impact and second: they have tons of naval units and 9 fighters in the 1941 scenario! I.e. you can balance everything by just adding enough (extra) units!
I get the feeling that they have really hurt the Axis through all the changes they have made.
Concerning the map, sure yes. But consider the turn sequence. Axis is always first. As Japan is (most likely) before UK in both scenarios, their units have much more impact and second: they have tons of naval units and 9 fighters in the 1941 scenario! I.e. you can balance everything by just adding enough (extra) units!
All Italy ends up doing is dividing up Germany which forces Germany to work with less IPCs. It also prevents Germany from gaining more IPCs in Africa.
Italy is too weak at 10 IPCs that it will be a weak link as opposed to actually helping the Axis. The map also prevents Russia from helping Germany on the Russian front.
If estimates pan out, there will be a 29 IPC gap between Allies and Axis. To me it looks like its going back to the original A&A when Axis was so underpowered that it rarely won.
The Allies always have more IPC’s then the Axis. In revised Germany is the second largest IPC country and Japan is tied for third with the UK. So as far as the Axis being at a loss is normal.
Also since most of the time we play 1 vs. 1 I think I will use Italy as a homeland security force to defend W Europe from a foothold invasion. Then Germany can focus on the Russia and / or Africa.
LT
@LT04:
The Allies always have more IPC’s then the Axis. In revised Germany is the second largest IPC country and Japan is tied for third with the UK. So as far as the Axis being at a loss is normal.
Axis were underpowered in both Classic and Revised. They became more balanced with Revised and it should have become even more balanced with the new one, but they seem to be becoming more underpowered.
All Italy ends up doing is dividing up Germany which forces Germany to work with less IPCs. It also prevents Germany from gaining more IPCs in Africa.
Italy is too weak at 10 IPCs that it will be a weak link as opposed to actually helping the Axis. The map also prevents Russia from helping Germany on the Russian front.
Invading Italy is actually harder for the UK to achieve since they need 2 transport fleets, 1 to pick units on UK and drop them on Algeria, then another on the Med to assault Italy. It also means having to deal with the Italian fleet first. And if G makes a run for Karelia then the UK will either have to choose between both.
All Italy ends up doing is dividing up Germany which forces Germany to work with less IPCs. It also prevents Germany from gaining more IPCs in Africa.
Italy is too weak at 10 IPCs that it will be a weak link as opposed to actually helping the Axis. The map also prevents Russia from helping Germany on the Russian front.
Invading Italy is actually harder for the UK to achieve since they need 2 transport fleets, 1 to pick units on UK and drop them on Algeria, then another on the Med to assault Italy. It also means having to deal with the Italian fleet first. And if G makes a run for Karelia then the UK will either have to choose between both.
Not just a transport fleet, but it needs enough security for these transports - DD, CR, SS
All Italy ends up doing is dividing up Germany which forces Germany to work with less IPCs. It also prevents Germany from gaining more IPCs in Africa.
Italy is too weak at 10 IPCs that it will be a weak link as opposed to actually helping the Axis. The map also prevents Russia from helping Germany on the Russian front.
Invading Italy is actually harder for the UK to achieve since they need 2 transport fleets, 1 to pick units on UK and drop them on Algeria, then another on the Med to assault Italy. It also means having to deal with the Italian fleet first. And if G makes a run for Karelia then the UK will either have to choose between both.
Not just a transport fleet, but it needs enough security for these transports - DD, CR, SS
In revised you could mass Germany’s Air Force in W Europe. They would be posed like a wagon wheel. The German Air Force was at the center and the UK navy would have to move all the way around it.
That would always make the Allies extra careful.
@Flying:
@Imperious:
SBR is gonna be fun and most likely they use the CAP rules from AAP and the fighter escort rules from AAE.
Airpower is gonna be really critical.
I really hated escorts, with that rule I just don’t see any advantage to bomb the IC. It’s like trying to have sex with a meat grinder.
Italy really, really should have been light gray.
Axis will be real hard to play. Can’t wait though.
All axis and all allied turn with blockhouses to deter DDay too soon will be tried in my lab.
I’m not familiar with this rule - can someone explain for me?
Thanks.
What rule:
CAP rule from AAP
or
Blockhouse rule from AA D-Day
The CAP rule. I’m not familiar with ‘escorts’ for SBR.
Thanks.
CAP stands for Civil Air Patrol (If I remember correctly) FTR’s still only have a limit of 4 spaces but I think this rule let them “patrol” empty SZ’s without a carrier.
Basicly they can be placed on SZ’s on the non-combat phase without needing to land on a carrier.
I don’t know if they could move 4 spaces out on say US1 and then move back 4 spaces on US2 or if they had to move 2 and 2.
I think that’s how it went but you may want to double check.
LT
@LT04:
CAP stands for Civil Air Patrol (If I remember correctly) FTR’s still only have a limit of 4 spaces but I think this rule let them “patrol” empty SZ’s without a carrier.
Basicly they can be placed on SZ’s on the non-combat phase without needing to land on a carrier.
I don’t know if they could move 4 spaces out on say US1 and then move back 4 spaces on US2 or if they had to move 2 and 2.
I think that’s how it went but you may want to double check.
LT
I do not want to be pedant but CAP means Combat Air Patrol.
The Escort rule allows to defend from a SBR using fighters in the territory to intercep the incoming bombers. At same time the attacker may send units to escort the bomber in order to fend off the screen of the defending fighters.
I do not want to be pedant but CAP means Combat Air Patrol.
That’s right Civil Air Patrol are those ROTC wanna-be’s the US Air Force has. They are like glorified boy scouts… Well realistically they are more like explorer scouts.
LT
Yup, CAP allowed fighters to chill in sea zones adjacent to islands, in case any baddies popped up.
The only thing that looks good for the Axis is the Japanese fleet. However, from the looks of it, the game is very ally-favored. All of them were, but in Revised, the bid for Axis was 4-8 IPC it seemed. In Classic, wasn’t it like 15-20? I can see bids being quite high in this game, and all of it going to Italy :wink:
@Rakeman:
Yup, CAP allowed fighters to chill in sea zones adjacent to islands, in case any baddies popped up.
The only thing that looks good for the Axis is the Japanese fleet. However, from the looks of it, the game is very ally-favored. All of them were, but in Revised, the bid for Axis was 4-8 IPC it seemed. In Classic, wasn’t it like 15-20? I can see bids being quite high in this game, and all of it going to Italy :wink:
Yeah that would make sence. In revised normally bid units went to Africa. Italy is along those lines of play.
LT
